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After a not too great 2005, finally got to the range yesterday for a few hours play. First off ... in the direct sunlight the Chrony decided to pack it in, and I busted the tripod head so couldn't chrony any loads... not a good start.
Started with mates Rem700 35Whelen and the Woodleigh 310gr RN. What a beautiful looking projectile seated onto a 35Whelen case. Crimped into the cannelure the base of the projectile sits even with the base of the shoulder. If the 35Whelen had a shorter neck and shoulder was moved a bit forward it would be perfect with this projectile ... but that's the 9.3x62 case animal. Using AR2206H we started loading at 44gr and moved up in increments to a max of 50gr. Mate called it quits at that stage (its his rifle) because of flattening primers but I felt the rifle would go a little further as PMC primers seem to flatten very easy, even with mild loads. All those loads went into 2MOA at 100m and recoil was more comfortable than a 200gr at 2600fps ... go figure Roll Eyes. Fired off another 5 rounds at 48gr AR2206H at 200m to check stability in a 1:16" twist ... I'm not convinced yet, one hole did seem a litle off shape ... we'll repeat the testing next time at 200 and then 275m. Major surprise was how much lower the rifle shot this projectile, almost a foot and a half compared to a 200gr load. Dramatic difference! Recovered 2 Woodleighs from the sand bank ... mushroomed back to the cannelure Cool.
Next... the Ruger 350RemMag. Only have one packet of factory ammunition so only fired off 8 rounds as I want to sneak off for a hunt later this month. Rifle definately needs trigger work for accuracy, its way too heavy. Recoil is equivalent to the 35Whelen with a slightly sharper crack. Fell in love in 8 rounds, definately a rifle to buy ... lighter and more compact than the M700, and once I greased the bolt ... very slick action. No feeding problems with the factory ammunition, all fed well ... but its early days.
Finished off the day with offhand practice with the 358Win and reloads of 17gr Blue Dot behind a 158gr projectile. Very mild load and not punishing even when I forgot to put my muffs on. Another vastly under-rated .35cal.
New Year's resolutions ... in 2006 all my hunting will be with a .35cal! I'll build a 35Whelen on an M17 and once I convince him, buy mates Rem700 (recoil gets to him) for a 358Norma or STA. Finally ... I also definately want a 303/35 on a P14 or No4 cheers Where's Santa when you need him!
Cheers...
Con
 
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Nice work Con............................I reckon I would love that little .350 Ruger !!
 
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Con you are twisting my arm on the 350.
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Con, you could try the Sierra 220gr 35, I think it was meant for the 35Rem, but it works very well in my 350RM. Good expansion, adequate penetration, and best of all, about a quarter the price of Woodlieghs. Having said that, I much prefer to use the Woodliegh 225 (?), in my 350RM if I know I will only be shooting Sambar.
If I am off after Pigs, the Sierra's win every time.

Cheers, Dave.


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Dave,
I've got around 200 of the Sierra 225gr GameKings, and will most likely end up using them in the 358Win. Found some 225gr NPs for my 350RemMag, and I've some 200gr BarnesX to play with too! I shied away from the 225gr Woodleigh as I'd prefer a spitzer but Geoff stated to me that demand is not great enough to justify a change to the current line up. Having said that, next run of 35s will have a slightly redesigned 225gr Woodleigh. He's considering running the jacket up higher (ie closer to the nose) and then flattening the exposed lead, same profile as the 225gr RN essentially but a little tougher and no lead to catch when feeding. Drop him an email as I'm on his case for a 225gr PP ... would love to get my hands on one!
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Con
 
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I used to chat with Geoff fairly regularly, about the 225gr 338 PP, he wound up doing a special batch for me with a cannelure, as I had problems with the projectile moving back in the case in my 338 Ruger.
I'm sure if you ask, he would be happy tp do a run of whatever you want, but you will have to be prepared to pay the extra!
Anyway, if you have Nosler Partitions, you already have about the best all round projectile, IMHO.

Cheers, Dave.


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Hey Con, have you ever tried Swift A-frames 225 grains for your Whelan?
 
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Dave,
Agreed the 225gr Nosler is about as good as it gets.
.366torque,
Nobody brings Swift A-Frames into Australia and I cant justify the cost to import some.
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I used to chat with Geoff fairly regularly, about the 225gr 338 PP, he wound up doing a special batch for me with a cannelure, as I had problems with the projectile moving back in the case in my 338 Ruger.
I'm sure if you ask, he would be happy tp do a run of whatever you want, but you will have to be prepared to pay the extra!
Anyway, if you have Nosler Partitions, you already have about the best all round projectile, IMHO.

Cheers, Dave.


I have purchased a cannelure cutter from ch4 and did not think of using it for the .338 pp's as that is what I will shootin my Ruger .338.....................but maybe I should. I intend to use it for the Taipan .416 400 gr bullets which do not have cannelures.

Stick with the old woodleigh's Con you can't go wrong with them IMHO
 
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PC,
What did the cannelure cutter cost? Thought of getting one myself. Easy to use?
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Con I reckon it cost me $60.00 or so landed ?? here I just rang ch4 direct and got it.........yet to use it but plan to cut cannelures on all .416 Taipan bullets I have.
 
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Con, Do you have a load worked for the 358 using the 225 Sierras? I am about to re acquire a Miroku lever after some years absence.
 
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garrys02,
No, not yet. I've played with the Woodleigh 250gr only at this stage in the 358Win... but it wont feed reliably due to the large lead nose catching. I'm off to the range on Sunday (fingers crossed), I'll put some Sierra 225gr loads together and report back.
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I was talking to Tim at McDonalds Guns in Footscray today and he said he has plenty of 350 Rem Mag ammunition.
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Con, Do you have a load worked for the 358 using the 225 Sierras? I am about to re acquire a Miroku lever after some years absence.


You could try 38gr of AR2207, in my old BLR it gave moderate pressure signs, and about 2 MOA.
Try backing off about 3gr and working up from there. You may need to play around with the seating depth, to get reliable feeding. I had a lot of trouble, and ended up going to the 200gr Hornady SP to get reliable feeding.

Cheers, Dave.


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Thanks Sambar. I still have 2-300 Hornady 200 round nose and they used to cut 3 shot cloverleaves at 100 if I did my bit, using Reloader 7. I never had trouble feeding the Hornady 250 gn Spire points but the cannellure seats them very deep and velocity with the Rx 7 was disappointing. Penetration however was --- impressive. There are a few Sambar around these days and I'm looking forward to getting my Game Council Restricted licence and getting into some State Forests as they become released for hunting.
 
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Yep! Roll on March, and those Cat R licences!
Got an invite from some NSW GameCon people to head on up for the 'first weekend'. Might even see you up there!

Cheers, Dave.


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Garry02,
Couldn't get away so no play with the 225gr Sierra... yet! The load Dave suggested should indeed be mild as I used 37.5gr AR2207 behind the 250gr Woodleigh for what seemed mild pressures in my bolt-rifle. Still, be prudent and reduce the load just in case. My 358Win is off to the 'smith to sort its feeding out, flat out refuses to feed any RN projectiles from the left side of the magazine Frowner , and think I'll replace its magazine spring whilst I'm at it.
Cheers...
Con
 
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Sambar, further to the 'first weekend' in March I have just done the assessors course for the accrediting of R licence applicants. The training handbook for applicants is a triumph. Stuff in there that we all know (or should) but benefit from the clear statement in writing. If they offer you a 'Recognition of prior learning' test,don't bother because there are questions the answers to which must be as per the handbook.
Get hold of a handbook, read it twice and with the benefit of experience and commonsense you will cream it.
No-one is telling yet which parcels of forest/crown land will be initially available so who knows where to recon, and the R applications won't be available till Feb 1st.
See you in the hinterland!
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Already got it, thanks Garry. I got stabbed to be one of our deerstalking club assessors. When the NSW gamecon guys came down to VIC for The Vic Gamecon AGM, they handed out the reference material, you are right, it is well written and presented.
We run our first batch of guys through in early Feb, and then as required.

Cheers, Dave.


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Con, where did you end up getting your 350 Ruger?

Cheers, Dave.


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Dave,
From Trelly's in Shepp Frowner, bit more expensive ($880) but I secured one which is all that mattered. With the rain last night I've decided for sanity sake to take her for a walk early Monday morning. Going to walk into my favourite gully, find a seat, and contemplate life Cool. Might even get to fill the new freezer.
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Con
 
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