But isnt Australia the newest State of the US ? I thought John Howard and George Dubya were brothers...?

Can't be brothers mate. If you were the mother you'd shoot yourself after Johnny

Hi new here but were are looking at maybe moving to the world down under, and we like the life style you have over there, and the fishing. the uk sucks not just gun laws but every thing in general, but ive read some where that the gun laws in aus are just as bad there ?
im a plasterer by trade, hunting by hobby,
we were looking at the south west aus (Perth) area, whats the hunting like around there any one hunt in that area ? thanks

Perth (WA) has some weird gunlaws. As far as I know to own a high power center fire you need landowners permission and a letter saying you can hunt there. Then the cops check the place out and make sure its big enough. Some one from WA can clear that up however. With my job I can be posted anywhere in Australia, and one place I don't want to go is WA. Thats not to the the state is shit its just with the amount of rifles I have I don't want to stuff about with their gun laws. For a great life style with hunting,Fishing and mud crabbing you can't go past the Northern Territory.

Western Australia has pigs and goats and a secret couple of deer herds. The gun laws there were the worst in Australia even before John Howard. The locals were forced to use a lot of underpowered crap calibres like .45/70 as these fitted into easier to get classes. Basically similar to UK laws in that you need to prove a place to use your centrefire, it has to be large enough, and you probably only get one. I had the feeling thinks actually improved there a little with the new "uniform" national gun laws but might be wrong.

Most states are fine. NSW seems to be going sillier every month with banning things. Generally it is not (yet) hard to get a firearm as long as it is not a semi-auto rifle or shotgun, pump action shotgun or a pistol. Pistols are only for target shooting.

I lived in London in the UK for a couple of years and I agree Aussie is better in most ways, especially for an outdoor life, unless you are very very rich in Europe when things can be different. But too many people everywhere.

Hi, Plenty of work in W.A. for your trade, Perth is always on the go with new housing and buildings going up everywhere good beer and wine, Yes the gun laws there are the worst in Aust. I lived there for many years when I was younger the first thing you must do is join a club like SSAA then get a licence to use firearms for club comps. then you start looking for properties to hunt on which can be a bit difficult but not impossible, rabbits,foxes,pigs,goats,can be found only a few hours drive out of Perth, further out aswell as the above you will find donkeys,camels,dingo's and if you like fishing anywhere in W.A. is good. try this site and go to the W.A. link www.ssaa.org.au and make a few inquiries....best of luck.....Les

Immigration's been lettin poms in here for 200 years so one more would really go un-noticed

I run a housing design business and the two boom states at present are WA and Queensland. We got 5 new houses last week to add to the 20+ on hand and that situation hasn't changed for about 4 years although they are saying 2006 will see a downturn. Our core business is houses but we also do steel detailing and substation layout and design for a power Authority.

Queensland has probably the easiest gun laws but still a grind to comply with. I have 100+ rifles and don't get hasseled.

Great info (pomm sorry i dont class mt self as a pomm brit) anymore even though i still live here and abide by there rules ill have to get my map out and have a look at Queensland,
I have 100+ rifles and don't get hasseled. Bad ass were lukcy to have 1 rifle of each cal to own the same cal allmost impossable, unless you can provide good reason ?
Are you allowed sound moderators/silencers ?

No mufflers allowed here,but OK in NZ.

Have a friend that lives in Merriwa, NSW. Was kinda mystified as to the slam on the 45-70? He seems to be happy with it. He was wanting me to bring the ole Sharps with me when I go to visit. I figured that would handle anything on that continent, it will here.

That ole Sharps 45/70 will handle any game two legged or four, but can it handle Aussie "Sharps Shooters" like me frothing at the mouth and dribbling over it!

It is crap if you are FORCED to buy one as its lack of modern ballistics allows it to fit into a low powered firearms licence class.



Maybe the shooter would like a .243 or .308 instead but has little or no choice.



I don't believe in governments being permitted to dictate to its citizens.



I don't really care to discuss that round. It doesn't do anything for me and has been over-discussed on the AR forums in the last two years.

If you're like me, you keep those fine rifles well oiled to keep the drool running off of it like water off a ducks a$$ ! Fine rifles there Bad Ass! NitroX, I agree on that government issue, I hope it doesn't get any worse for both our countries. Good luck to you all.

Mate , if you dont want draconian gunlaws and big bother state interferance in your life , you could look slightly to the right of Aussie to a small piece of paradise in the South Pacific called New Zealand . Your job skills are needed here , you can have as casual a lifestyle as you want here and have as many guns as you want without the crap the Aussies have to put up with .
Naturally enough there will be obstacles in your way but if you can convince our immigration people that you really are from an impoverished third world nation and have no skills , no command of the english language and your only claim to fame is making babies - they should welcome you with open arms . Oh yeah , you will need to be black as well.....
Give it a go anyway , you may catch them in a weak moment ...

Hi muzza any chance off any pic`s of what the hunting is like in new zealand ? what game you have to hunt ?
ohhh and im WHITE
and the woman (wife) is a hairdresser is there much work for her ?

There are a multitude of things to hunt here , at least seven species of deer , feral goats , rabbits , hares , wallabies , chamois , tahr , feral pigs, possums , cats , the list goes on .

NZ is like a very sparsely populated Britain in many ways , although there is still relatively free access to hunting areas and we have good fishing as well . The average guy can hunt and fish when and where he wants pretty much.

The cost of living is way cheaper than in Britain , the place is generally safer , the roads are pretty uncluttered ( except for bloody campervans ) the education system is still functional despite political interferance , the health system works most of the time , as long as you dont get sick , and we have a demand for skilled tradespeople - and yes hairdressers will find employment too .

I would suggest you contact New Zealand House in London for an information package for potential migrants. They have a large fact file for folk just like yourselves . Poms have been settling here for nearly as long as they have in Aussie , although none of ours came out in chains...

Good luck , keep us informed of where you end up.

Search through some of the older posts on this forum for some NZ hunting photos , there are a few , but not huge numbers .

Mate , are you missing out on sex again ? Seems like you get a might tetchy when the nooky supply is turned off....

I recall you saying previous that SA was a free state . I can't imagine anyone wanting to live there if you had to pay to go , so it would have to be free to get anyone to live there at all...

I came to Oz 30 years ago and have never regreted a minute of it.

Lived in NSW for 20 years untill I saw the light and moved to Sunny Queensland. You will have to look long and far to beat Queensland for almost anything. Even our draconian gun laws are far better than some other countries, especially trhe UK which I visited last year after 30 years. What a shock to the system.With your trade and your wife as a hairdresser you should have no problems making a comfortable living.

I am originally from Manchester, I used to live there when it was full of white people!

So come and join us and enjoy the rest of your life in the sun.

Frank

Hey Muzza, according to NitroX, I'd be a shoe in - I'm a psychologist, and I'm healthy (I think) - what are my chances? I love your comment about the health system working unless you get sick - I'm used to that here in Oz!!



And I'm interested in your concerns about 'bloody campervans' - they (understandably) occupy a degree of your 'worry time', perhaps we could form an 'alliance of the willing' armed with RPG's, and eliminate them? For the betterment of the people and country, of course!!

A joke.

Yeah, I know but let's milk it?

I made the move from Pomgolia (London) years ago and am bloody glad I did ,never regretted it once. As others have said , the gun laws are stricter than in U.S , but still better than most countries. We can still walk into gunshops ,see a gun we like and have the paperwork and gun in a week or so. As Muzza has said ,the hunting in New Zealand would be great (I havent been there yet but have heard lots about it and want to go). NZ is also closer to English weather if you like that. Either way ,you cant go wrong.

I had to laugh, What is it with the English speaking world, that we want to have every NON english speaking, dark skinned person move to our nations so we can have more people to collect welfare, so the government can justify their existance and call themselves liberal????

Not trying to be a racist, but look how anyone White is treated if they go to a third world country, especially if you are an American.

Guess NZ or Oz is no different than the USA or Canada.

sheeesh.

Seafire - I think most of those issues you mention stem from NZ and Australia being part of the group known as the British Empire - laterly the British Commnwealth . Courtesy of that large international family of nations we all have fairly free access to other members of the Commonwealth, and as such , can emigrate with less hassle than you Americans inflict on new migrants to your shores ( well , legal migrants anyway )

Many of the small Pacific Island nation members of the Commonwealth are very poor and moving to a larger country that has liberal immigration policies is a popular step for many of those Islanders .
New Zealand as an example has the worlds largest Polynesian population , made up of Fijians , Tongans , Cook Islanders and many others from those tiny Island nations . Australian cities also have Polynesian populations .I guess if you were in that position you would look to improve your life as best you could too.

The current wave of new immigrants is from Asia , cant say as I have much of an opinion on them as members of our society , but they are allowed to come here and they do .

I suspect that the ill feeling towards Americans in third world nations stems from the perception that your nation runs rampant over the wishes of small powerless nations in your pursuit of either power or oil or minerals . I guess that envy plays a large part in that outlook , as well .

I dont have an answer to the situation , actually I think living in a multicultural society has many benefits , but it does have a clash of cultures problem as well at times. The real problem may be that many third world nations do not have any of the freedoms that we take for granted , since dictatorship and tribalism seem to be the norm in those places . Maybe we should be thankful we dont live under those conditions...?

I guess that I speak for most decent men and women everywhere; it don't matter the colour of your skin it's what's in your heart and mind and the sincerety of a handshake that counts.

[SNIFF] Thats just beautiful BasAss...really

LOL That's just what I was thinking bakesy.

That's pretty deep Bad Ass. I checked the sidebar to make sure it was your name on the posting.

It's just the Cowboy way.

Hey , come on guys ! I've met BA and he struck me as being a genuine, sensitive , kind-hearted guy who wouldn't harm a fly ( back in a minute , need to wipe the vomit off my mouth ).....Actually deep down I suspect we all have some degree of decency about us - how well we disguise it is what seperates us from other less well intentioned folks...

Aw gee men, you've given me a big lump in me froat.



Still, I don't like bloody poofters being paid tax payers money by the Federal government for parading in the fucken streets and I don't give a fuck if they are black, white, yellow or brown with their bloody balls painted blue and green dots highlighted with fucken tinsel!



City streets aren't for that sort of bloody shit!

It's good to see that the medication has worn off, and BAW is back to his normal self!

Muz,

I was not trying to come across as a Redneck. It just surprises me on how many people from third world countries are leaving them and other developed nations are accepting them and then not expecting them to learn the language, can't seem to give out enough of the taxpayers money in welfare to them.

I was speaking to some Norwegians, and they indicated that they have tons of Pakistanis who come to Norway to work on the oil rigs. They also have a lot of africans from Swaziland,and Tanzania , and Sri Lanka, that come to Norway and are paid to go to classes to learn the language.
In reality these immigrants have no intention of learning it, but go because they are paid well to just attend.

MY Canadian friends complain about how Canada, will bring in immigrants from third world countrys' if Pakistan, and India and China are considered third world, and give them an income for 2 yrs plus buy them a house on a real low loan and then have the immigrants pay back what they can.

I am an old believer in the old adage, Teach some one how to fish and you feed them for a life time, give them a fish and feed them for a day. Seems like Governments in English speaking nations are either too generous with their taxpayers money, or they spend too much time giving some one a fish instead of teaching them to fish.

And finally about the USA and our obsession with oil. That is a major problem in our country. We have to import oil because we have all of our 'environmentalist" who do not want the USA to go after the oil that is in Alaska. Secondly, look how much of our population is now immigrants. And they all want to be part of the " american dream" so what do they do but buy a big car. MY country is so busy catering to the world's politically correct attitude, that we take tons of our oil and ship it to Japan, and the far east, ship it elsewhere.
Then we buy the same amount of oil we sent overseas from OPEC. The USA could be self sufficient on oil, if it wasn't busy trying to satisfy opinions of other nations all the time.

Then everyone wants the money from the United States, economic aid, grants, low cost loans, etc. Then their is not one nation that does not bad mouth the same country they want all the money from.

Many conservatives in my country could not be happier if the USA pulls our noses and resources out of the rest of the world. Criticism is all we get from a lot of nations that don't have a clue about the concept of any appreciation, past or present.

Take Iraq now. Half of the country wants our troops out of there. So does half the world. So if the USA did leave Iraq, and left them to themselves, and every thing fell apart or another Saddam came to power, then everyone would blame the USA for pulling out. So then the other half is blaming the USA for pulling out. Either way, the USA can't win.

Our country is not awash in cheap oil from Iraq. Instead we are watching the price of fuel skyrocket right now. No where near world levels in price, but how much of that price is taxes in most of the those nations?

Most people should be glad they are not an American. We as a nation are expected to feed everyone, give them new homes cars, jobs, and then we stand by why we are criticized. How would you like it if your generosity to a neighbor was repaid in that way?

When I am in another person's country, I honor it as if I was in another person's home. Aussies should have total control of Australia, Iraqis total control of Iraq, Afghanis total control of their own country etc. We should we risk the lives of our troops and spend all of the taxpayer dollars to bring order to a country, that they just want to fight among themselves and just kill each other??

But what then would people say, If the USA said, screw Iraq! Let them kill each other, we will just deport all Iraqis here, back to there, and not have a dam thing to do with Iraq? Then everyone would be complaining about that!

If NZ or Australia needed the USA we would be there. We were in WW2. If NZ and Oz were all okay and never needed thinks from the USA then God Bless them. It would be two more nations that we would not have to send our tax dollars to.

Most other nations should be happy that they are not put in the position the USA is in. Personally, I would rather see our troops brought home, close the welcome mat on our borders, and let the rest of the world work out their own problems.

Of course that was the case in 1940, and looked what happened with that scenario. Most people who remembered that, are long gone. That is why everyone wants to complain about the USA instead of praise it for making sure that their nations are not speaking Japanese or German today, or that we are not all communists.

God Bless NZ, Australia, Britain, Canada, and less not forget the USA. Actually lets ask God to Bless all nations and to teach mankind not to kill his fellow man, and instead learn to put out a helping hand to those in need.

Amen!
Seafire

Dont fret over seeming to be a redneck mate , you wont look out of place in this company...

It does seem as though the "Western" world accepts the impoverished from everywhere , and then doesnt care if they assimilate or not . You dont have that problem on your own , maybe just on a bigger scale than here .

Dont disagree on your oil theories , nor your overseas aid views . We give money away as well , not as much obviously , but with no likely hood of any sort of return on the investment except the warm fuzzy feeling that being seen to do the right thing gives you - like , yeah , get real .

I do , however , suspect that your leaders charged into Iraq with a noble cause in mind , as they did in Viet Nam , and now have become stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place . I am not going to debate Iraq here , but I see the whole deal as being a very costly exercise with no outcome for anyone . The place will revert to tribalism , and you guys are in the middle . "nuff said .


Interestingly , the National Anthem of NZ is entitled " God Defend New Zealand " . Most appropriate really , coz we no longer have the capacity to defend ourselves , our Airforce is a joke , our Navy hardly has a seaworthy vessel any more , and our Army is capable of supplying disaster releif to the Pacific Islands and bugger all else . God , or the USA , is our best hope for defence it seems . But then , why would anyone want to invade us anyway , we have a woman Prime Minister and a Government of Greenies and loonies - who would want them ...?

Why cant people just accept others as they are , instead of trying to be in charge all the time ?

I agree with you Seafire. I,m no redneck ,working in New Guinea for 10 years and lived in Asia for 8 years ,but its true what you have said.