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A hunter was shot and killed near Perth at the weekend and now one in New Zealand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/southla...ng-on-Stewart-Island "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | ||
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Always makes me sick in the guts to hear such news. Condolences to the family. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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The one near Perth was actually about 300km away. Customer of mine, 36 with 2 kids. Was on an organised fox shoot at Westonia as was I. Tragic accident. Shot by a 17 year old member of his own team who reportedly tripped and fell before the firearm discharged. He has been charged with manslaughter but I'm not sure why. The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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Bushchook, What part of negligent firearms handling causing death would not be Manslaughter ? | |||
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Was the 17 year old licensed? What is the minimum age to have a firearms license in Oz? In NZ it is 18. Was he under supervision? In NZ an under aged hunter must be supervised by a license holder - one gun between 2 people.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nakihunter: Was the 17 year old licensed? What is the minimum age to have a firearms license in Oz? In NZ it is 18. Was he under supervision? In NZ an under aged hunter must be supervised by a license holder - one gun between 2 people. Don't quote rules or give info on New Zealand issues if you don't know the facts Nakihunter, it is 16yrs of age in NZ & has been since I left school | |||
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16 is age in New Zealand for A cat firearms licence. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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Need to be carful where we go with Negligent. We do not have the facts about what caused the discharge. Back in the 70's A Mount Isa man was charged with Mudering his wife. He claimed the rifle had droped out of his hands, hit the sloor but first and went off. No one believed him. Took a while but it was shown the model of Sako he had, had a habit of doing just that but not every time you smacked the butt on the floor. What I am saying is the lad may of tripped and rifle has discharged without his finger being on the trigger. Lets wait and see what the out come is. Condolences to family and friends. That lad has to live with this for the rest of his life. | |||
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So did the mount Isa man get oFF without any charge/conviction?...or did he just ecape the murder charge? In regards the 17 y.o. in WA, Despite being an unintentional killing, We don't if he was being reckless in his actions whilst holding a firearm that may have caused him to fall & discharge. heres some WA law.... http://www.lrc.justice.wa.gov.au/_files/P97-ch03.pdf ... The way I read it- is that: the 17 yo comes under the second category: 'Unintentional manslaughter"..(or "involuntary manslaughter" under common law.) I don't see anyway the 17 y.o. could escape an unitentional manslaughter (category 1st or 2nd) charge. The question is whether he is under the FIRST or SECOND category of unintentional manslaughter. IF he was fooling around and fell or otherwise showed lack of due care & responsibility whilst in possession of firearm causing him to fall & discharge, ... Id say "1st cat. unintentional manslaughter" EG;...what if to no one elses knowledge at the time of the incident, but is later found out the 17y.o. was taking-effected by some form of illicit drug? IF he showed reasonable due care whilst with a firearm , but still stumbled-tripped, .... id say "2nd cat. unintentional manslaughter"....cause its still negligent handling of a firearm causing death.(moral culpability)
So if the 17 y.o. took all reasonable steps to prevent such incident, likely he avoids Criminal responsibility, but faces some level of moral culpability.
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