An oldie,but a goodie.

Well, it is good to see that Little Johnny is good at something (judging by the look on Costello's face) because the little bastard is useless at everything else (except, of course, lying through his teeth and getting away with it!).

While we are discussing the bastard, I was reading a news report, yesterday, from when we re-deployed troops to East Timor and the paper was quoting Little Johnny who said that the reason we were having to re-deploy was because "...the Australian Army pulled out too early." - the way he worded it was almost like he was trying to put the blame on the military and there was no mention of the fact that the withdrawal would have been his decision.

Reminds me of how he put the blame for the 'children overboard' scandal onto the military when it was obvious that the lies came direct from his office.

But he just seems to keep getting away with the lies and bullshit - I hope this country wakes up before the next election!

Well he buggered up a lot of us shooters, so I guess he is being true to form ....

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:
Well, it is good to see that Little Johnny is good at something (judging by the look on Costello's face) because the little bastard is useless at everything else (except, of course, lying through his teeth and getting away with it!).

While we are discussing the bastard, I was reading a news report, yesterday, from when we re-deployed troops to East Timor and the paper was quoting Little Johnny who said that the reason we were having to re-deploy was because "...the Australian Army pulled out too early." - the way he worded it was almost like he was trying to put the blame on the military and there was no mention of the fact that the withdrawal would have been his decision.

Reminds me of how he put the blame for the 'children overboard' scandal onto the military when it was obvious that the lies came direct from his office.

But he just seems to keep getting away with the lies and bullshit - I hope this country wakes up before the next election!

And what are we going to do about it mate, vote in Beasley???? no thank you!

Neither of them are any good. Beasley would make the pic above into a good menarge-de-tois (or however it is spelt).

There are too few politicians you can trust; its all about having their snouts in the (money) though for as long as possible then getting a million $ (plus) golden hand shake.

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And what are we going to do about it mate, vote in Beasley???? no thank you!

First of all, let me make it clear that I am NOT a Labor supporter, and never will be!

However, I am confused as to why so many people are against Beasley. I say this for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, back in '96 when Jackboot Johnny (JBJ) took advantage of the Port Arthur shootings to start his anti-gun crusade, Beasley was one of the few voices against JBJ's knee-jerk reaction. Beasley urged that the government look at any changes carefully, before rushing in - but they rushed in anyway and we all know the stupid results of that.

Also, way back when Beasley was the shadow Minister of Defence, I was a member of the RAAF's 11 Squadron flying on P3B Orion aircraft. We once had Beasley as an official passenger on a 10 hour fisheries patrol and, both on the ground and in the air, I got the job of showing him around the back end of the aircraft and explaining all of the equipment to him (radar, acoustic and electronic warfare kits, weapons, etc).

At that time I was staunchly pro-Liberal and didn't relish the idea of babysitting a Labor politician, but Beasley impressed the hell out of me as he was polite, well-educated and very, very sharp. He seemed to understand most of what I told him and his questions were well directed and took the tour to more complex issues as we went along. He is no dummy!

I don't undertand why there is such a "feeling" against Beasley but I suspect that a lot of the opposition is the result of Jackboot Johnny's media propaganda, because you cannot tell me that a large section of our media isn't in JBJ's back pocket!

Also, I believe that what we have to do in this country, today, is to keep voting out whoever is in power at any given time. The last thing we need is a monopoly on power, such as JBJ has had. Every election we should vote against the government of the day until they finally get the message that they actually work for us and that they have to perform to stay in power.

When you look at the lies and fear-building, that JBJ has used to stay in power, I don't think that Beasley is such a bad option.

And do you really find that lying, two-faced, mealymouthed little dictator, that is presently in power, to be the preferred Prime Minister?

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:

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And what are we going to do about it mate, vote in Beasley???? no thank you!

However, I am confused as to why so many people are against Beasley. I say this for a couple of reasons.

Why? Because Beasley is a weak willed man, a cream-puff who could not be relied on to make a hard decision and keep to it. Even Labor voters think that, and the reason he is the current opposition leader is it is very likely Jack Boot Johnny will still win the next election and none of the real leadership contenders wanted to be the looser. Beasley is pretty practiced at loosing.

Imagine having Beasley as PM in a crisis. He would dither and procrastinate, changing his jelly mind from day to day.

Remember also most of the anti-firearms legislation required the co-operation and support of all the state and territory governments and most, now all are Labor governments. So how are they going to be better?! Dream on ......

The only solution in the long-run is to get elected minority independents and sympathetic small parties. As well as working WITHIN the existing two major parties/coalitions.

John,

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So how are they going to be better?! Dream on ......quote]

[QUOTE]The only solution in the long-run is to get elected minority independents and sympathetic small parties. As well as working WITHIN the existing two major parties/coalitions.

On the first point, I wasn't saying that they were going to be better, just no worse. And the fact is that JBJ has to go and I don't care how, just so long as he is gone!!!

On the second point, while what you say is true, I'm glad that you said "in the long-run" because this will take a bloody long time, if it occurs at all (....dream-on????) and before you can work within the Coalition, you will have to have gotten rid of JBJ and all of his henchmen.

Also, this will require breaking down the political monopolies, such as JBJ presently enjoys, before any of the independants or minor parties will have a show.

One of the big problems is that many Australians do NOT think about who they vote for. Many will always vote liberal or labor because "I've always voted for them" or "Mum and Dad always voted for them so that is good enough for me" or "I'm a tradesman so I only ever vote labor". I've been dumbfounded at how many shooters I know who complain about JBJs gun laws but still vote for the bastard!!!!

I think, as I said before, that we have to start by simply turning over each and ever government at every election until we can find some people who will do the job properly (and yes, I am dreaming on!!!!!) and this will also give the minor parties and the independants a foot in the door.

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:
I think, as I said before, that we have to start by simply turning over each and ever government at every election until we can find some people who will do the job properly (and yes, I am dreaming on!!!!!) and this will also give the minor parties and the independants a foot in the door.

If we were talking about "dedicated" shooters, there wouldn't be the numbers to do this.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20625035-2,00.html

The labor party at work BwanaBob, and lets not forget it's the party that has the power not the individual, beasley or otherwise.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:
I think, as I said before, that we have to start by simply turning over each and ever government at every election until we can find some people who will do the job properly (and yes, I am dreaming on!!!!!) and this will also give the minor parties and the independants a foot in the door.

If we were talking about "dedicated" shooters, there wouldn't be the numbers to do this.

John,

I'm not talking about doing it with only the shooters because it is not only the shooters that have suffered under the political system we have.

I'm talking about trying to get as many Australians, as possible, to work towards better government for all of us and not just continue to accept the dickheads we keep getting. We are all just too apathetic for our own good and we need to start and make our votes count, because they count for jack-shit at the moment.

When was the last time we had a politician that you respected and one you could look up to for inspired and geniune leadership? Someone who made sensible decisions for the good of the country and not just to benefit their own political party or secure votes or to look good in the media?

I can't remember a politician worthy of respect or my vote (and, again, I am not just talking about the firearms issues, but all issues). I personally have been in a political desert for many, many years because there is no-one that I want to vote for. Basically, all of our present politicians are self-serving, power grabbers who only think about party politics and ignore the real needs of the country.

I wouldn't piss on any of them even if they were on fire!

But I wish it was otherwise.

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Originally posted by darwinmauser:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20625035-2,00.html

The labor party at work BwanaBob, and lets not forget it's the party that has the power not the individual, beasley or otherwise.

This article is about a call to control ILLEGAL weapons many of which are in the hands of bandits, guerillas and terrorists. So where is the problem?

Do you think that the Liberals would do any different? The UN are already working on this on a global scale - the danger is that the anti's, such as Rebecca Peters, are trying to hijack the process to include legal firearms, too.

Don't you worry that if there is ever another shooting, in Australia, that JBJ wouldn't ban another whole range of firearms - if not all firearms? He's done it before and he would see it that he had no choice but to continue if there was another mass murder with a firearm. I reckon that the little prick is just hoping for another shooting so that he can ban all guns.

Let me just make it clear that I am NOT promoting the labor party here, just promoting voting against whoever is in power - until we find someone who can do a half-way decent job!

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:

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Originally posted by darwinmauser:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20625035-2,00.html

The labor party at work BwanaBob, and lets not forget it's the party that has the power not the individual, beasley or otherwise.

This article is about a call to control ILLEGAL weapons many of which are in the hands of bandits, guerillas and terrorists. So where is the problem?

Do you think that the Liberals would do any different? The UN are already working on this on a global scale - the danger is that the anti's, such as Rebecca Peters, are trying to hijack the process to include legal firearms, too.

Don't you worry that if there is ever another shooting, in Australia, that JBJ wouldn't ban another whole range of firearms - if not all firearms? He's done it before and he would see it that he had no choice but to continue if there was another mass murder with a firearm. I reckon that the little prick is just hoping for another shooting so that he can ban all guns.

Let me just make it clear that I am NOT promoting the labor party here, just promoting voting against whoever is in power - until we find someone who can do a half-way decent job!

The problem there Bob is Australian politicians promoting/ imposing Australian style gun control measures on other poor unfortunates . What have they done to deserve that???????

The sort of measures being discussed in the article by the Labor Party are just like the bullshit the United Nations is pushing, and is camoflage for not only removing military type arms but also private civilian arms as well.

Also the Labor Party is HEAVY into the United Nations and supporting whatever it proposes. One of the big ticket items of the UN, disarmament of civilian populations.

So what do you guys suggest? It seems to me that, to avoid voting in someone who you think MAY be a threat to our sport, you are willing to keep someone in power who IS DEFINITELY a threat to our sport.

It doesn't make sense to me!

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Originally posted by BwanaBob:
So what do you guys suggest? It seems to me that, to avoid voting in someone who you think MAY be a threat to our sport, you are willing to keep someone in power who IS DEFINITELY a threat to our sport.

It doesn't make sense to me!

Maybe there just is'nt a good solution.

There is no solution at the moment instead of lobbying, lobbying, lobbying.

In our two part system if both parties are against something, then there is no real choice of whom to vote for or not. But I have never voted directly for the Libs since the Gun Steal-off. I always vote for any reasonable (ie not any - green, commie, left, weirdo) small party or independents first. NEVER vote above the line for a party and its anonymous preferences. ALWAYS choose how your vote's preferences are allocated.

Ultimately infiltration of both parties is the only solution, but everyone is too apathetic for that.

The Stinking Labor party has always been Anti Gun ownership and anti farmers ! ever since Margaret Whitlam said at a womans meeting in the 70s ''When we get rid of the farmers we will own the country '', when i heard that as a kid growing up on a farm, i could not believe that kind of animosity towards my parents, who were battling to keep a farm, a family of six together.I Hated them then ,i Hate them now and i always will Hate them ,together with the Democrats who are nothing more than lapdogs to the Labour party[and Don Chip who was a gutless wonder] and always have been !I havent got any time for Howard either, who iam sure is just dictated to by his FAT Little wife Jeanette !if your going to vote ,vote for an independent who has an interest in your rights or have the GUTS not to vote at all !!!!! instead of mindlessly voting for the Political Cartel and racket, that runs this country

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Originally posted by NitroX:
There is no solution at the moment instead of lobbying, lobbying, lobbying...

This is absolutely correct. Never forget that government (any) is only concerned how to secure enough votes to win the next election.