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Originally posted by michael458:



Matt

Maybe you should go take a look at the Terminal Performance Thread on Big Bores. That's exactly what we do, work with Real Solids, not conventional ones. In fact a good 65% to 70 meplat solid hits pretty hard, and it's not scared of bones. If you are talking conventional fmj solids, you are correct, they don't make much of an impression, and no doubt will more than likely go most anywhere and take any sort of turn. But a decent flat nose solid, North Fork, CEB BBW #13s, Barnes Banded, that is another story, and not to be confused with a fmj round nose by any stretch. You will very easy see the difference in the way a buffalo takes a proper flat meplat solid and the way he takes a round nose fmj. Night and Day. There is a big difference in wound channels of a big flat nose meplat solid and a round nose fmj, especially in the first 20 inches of penetration.

I am not saying use solids ONLY, use Soft or NonCon up front, then follow up with solids. If that second shot is needed it is most likely needed to penetrate from the south of a north bound buffalo, few conventional softs will be able to make that journey! There are no reasons NOT to have a solid, none that are viable, and still every reason to have them. I suppose we disagree on that point. I think you might need to check out some of the Woodleigh Hydros as well, they leave big wound channels being a cup point, penetration is not quite as deep as normal flat nose solids, but it is good enough, and hits like a hammer from what I hear from our guys in the field. Of course, it's still a solid!

Sorry to tell you, but I back everything up with solids since 2006 and it has been very very successful on every animal I hunt, regardless of buffalo to bear. That solid just might save you a bad time on a hunt, a long follow up, even a dangerous situation from a bad shot, or bullet failure, or all sorts of GOOD REASONS, again to have that solid, no viable reason not to!

But, do as you please, that's up to you. I am just telling you what I do. What I do, works for me. What you do, I suppose works fine. I will continue to do, what I do!

Michael

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
My solid experience is limited to back-up shots on a few buffalo, and initial and finishing shots on a couple elephants and a couple finishing shots on a giraffe. Barnes banded solids are all I've used, partly because they are easy to get here.
An interesting case was watching a PH shoot a snared buffalo with .416 Woodleigh solids. He took body shots because he wanted to see what his new bullets would do. After 3 shots I was starting to think about borrowing a trackers axe and clubbing the cow to death.
I should have timed it, but didn't have a calender with me.

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Originally posted by georgeld:
Dogleg:
Thanks much for digging this old thread up.
I for one hadn't read it until tonight. Very educational, though disgusting with the commentaries between a couple with animosity that don't belong on such a post.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
Matt,

Maybe I'll catch you on the next one.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
So was it "one Soft up and Solids down"?

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what happened here

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Originally posted by Dogleg:

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what happened here

What happened is I never recovered all the bullets with either caliber. This is about half of them.


The chance to compare the calibers was a major drawing card for me. What I found for difference between the two calibers was not all that much, but a slight edge to the .458, for shorter distance travelled.

I'm going to ream out the .458 to a Lott, and give that another go. It boogles my mind a bit that such a place and opportunity exists in the 21st century.
The temptation to try a double rifle may be too much to stand.