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I have just been reading the only book on hunting I found in the Griffith library. "THE HUNTER'S MANUAL of Australia and New Zealand" by Col Allison, (Pub. 1980 A.H.& A.W. REED PTY LTD...) In the chapter on Fox he recomends the .17 rem as they do not exit a fox and so do not tear up the skins like some of the hot .22 center fires. I wonder what he would think of the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire? In places like NSW where there are permits for centerfire and those for rimefire the .17 HMR makes a small/medium cartridge superior to the .22 rimfire but still a rimfire. Anyone using one and how do you like it? Robin now down under | ||
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Col Allison is still going,writting for some of the gunrags here every now and again. When fox pelts were worth something the .17Rem was king for the longer shots.Now they just get shot as pests,with what ever falls to hand. I have a 17HMR in a Savage S/S syth.Only used it on paper so far,it hates the wind. Regards,Shaun. Kids in the back seat cause accidents,accidents in the back seat cause kids. | |||
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In the days when fox pelts were valuable, Australia was the biggest market for the .17 Rem. Don't blow big holes in those winter fox pelts. They still make nice furs, throw rugs etc. | |||
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I used one about a month ago and was impressed. More like shooting a centrefire than a rimfire, albeit a small one. Over 100+ yards it was just point and shoot, no trajectory to speak of, it just goes where you aim it. It had a relatively load bang too, much much more than a 22lr, maybe the same as a 22mag (surprise) but with more of a centrefire sound to it if you know what I mean. Man that proj is soooo tiny though, makes you wonder whether it would actually get anywhere without getting blown away beforehand. We were hosing down galahs at 100m with little effort. Bang, flop everytime. It would be a tough fox indeed that could take more than one of these to a vital spot. Just waiting for the PTA to get my own now, 6 more sleeps....Arrrgh... | |||
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I just use whatever is handy, 12g, 270, 7x57, doesn't worry me, and the farmers don't seem to care. They are just happy the buggers are gone. One farmer I know has one, and he thinks it was a mistake selling his 22 mag for the 17 Hornady. Can't shoot through the light grass that sometimes obscures his shots, but he does like the flat shooting bit about it though. I'm trying to talk him into a 223, as he also shoots 'roos (on permit). Cheers, Dave. Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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I set up my "trail cam" and baited in front of it with some chicken bones nt far from home. Got this pic of a wild cat.  It seems to be alert to something. then the next pic was of this fox.  Robin | |||
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Wow, nice pics. What sort of trail cam camera are you using there? Digi or film? Been thinking of getting one. | |||
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Mine is a digital built by a fellow in Alberta and sold out of his home. It is called (www.treebarkcameras.com). They are a lot of fum, espesially in the "off season". You set it out in an area that you would expect to see an animal (and or bait it as I did with the fox) then you can hardly wait to go back and see if you were right in selecting that area. Here is a young white-tail buck from Alberta. Caught over a scrape  Robin | |||
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The 17 rem is the king of the hill for foxes make no doubt about that...forget any claims about any others at all...while they do have drawbacks in the wind and suffer from poor cleaning practices they beat all comers for all round skin shooting.They will also blow the whole back out of a fox too sometimes but generally just about all shots stay in the carcase with nil exit wounds.Spectacular killer with a heavy barreled beaver tailed forend over a bag on the bonnet of the truck espec with a higher powered quality scope.And in nil wind on a frosty night a good bloke will take them out to 300 yards. Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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The .17 rem is great. I use one a fair bit. Reloading is fiddly compared to the .22 calibres. I still think the .204 ruger is as good, with the right projectiles. Hornady's 32 gn ones tend to blow up too much on impact but some of the 40 gn Bergers I m using at present are great. Very flat shooting as we all know. But both need thorough cleaning with a good solvent after a few rounds (after 25 or so, the accuracy does start to drop off). Sweets is good, but also Tetra and I like Hoppes too. | |||
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THose 22 cal are bad for fur. I am trying to find the right bullet for my 223. I currently use a 22 mag on Foxes for night calling. Fox are relatively easy to put down. Some of those newer 22 mag rounds are potent medicine and leave a small hole. I've loaded the 17. Bullet selection is better now than 20 years ago. I never load to the max. I traded my 17 for a 220 swift. NOT FUR FRIENDLY but dam does it stun coyotes. Fur prices are up in the northeast. save those pelts | |||
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i was going to buy a ruger No 1 in 220 Swift then came across a local farmer who has one and is not using it. So it is now with us. I still don't know wether to offfer him a few dollar or not. We have the usual RF's including the 22 WRM but then go up to a .222 that is very accurate. If I had to chose between the BDL .17 Rem and the Ruger .204 to go out spotlighting, I would nave no hesitation ion tyaking the 204. we have gone through 1500 rounds in it and I still love its ability to put the same weight projectiles in the same spot. It is very fussy about change of projectlies (sic) weight (but not make) and I have nailed foxes out to three hundred yatds with it. iT does really shade the 17 Rem and I have used both a lot. Both are fiddly to reload compared to the 22 calibres. Both need constant cleaning. But the Ruger is a better fox round. BUT wait fox six months until the guys get going around here aftyer fur (when we are all well in bned) and it will be interesting who is using what. As I said before, the local who spends three nights a week collecting skins in winter has got rid of his 223 WSSM. Kept the Nightforce scope. And is still carrying on about the right calibre. gone from the middlestead, thankfully. ross | |||
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Those pictures are great!! | |||
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Try .40gr V max in .223 with 25gr 4895, 2200, 3031, 0r 4064. In my 26", makes 3640fps and best accuracy out of 18 different bullets with the same 2200 load. Will not exit coyotes, only fox I've shot was with a .17 Rem at 30yds, blew it in half with a high rib shot. A buddy uses it on coyotes and never an exit hole. I broke one's back once, and a partner held his muzzle against a coyotes ribs and set her off, quick kill and did NOT exit to my amazement. Not sure what bullet he had, but, might have been a 25 or 30gr. He never put a patch thru his guns, ever. When they'd go bad, he'd ship it back to Rem and they'd replace the barrel at N/C. Three barrels in four yrs. Only cost was postage to ship it back. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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