A group of .047 was shot at 200yds yesterday. That record might stand for a long time. I was in Phoenix when Skip Otto shot his .099 at 200yds and that was probably 8 yrs. ago.
Butch

22PPC or some 30-cal loading? .047 is bordering on the unbreakable...

not many 22's on the line these day's. Most likely a 6PPC...but you are correct, it may well be untouchable. Heck, that group would trump at least one of the existing 100yd IBS records I can think of.

Now that I had a chance to check...it would beat ALL existing IBS 100yd records...but not NBRSA records.

Nice but meaningless to many of us without telling us what he was shooting.

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Nice, but meaningless to many of us without telling us what he was shooting.

I have to disagree a bit. The goal is to shoot a small center-to-center group, regardless of the caliber used. Imagine a .047" shot with a 155mm howitzer. Damned impressive, that would be! It's equally impressive to me to hear of a .047" shot with a .22, a 6mm, a .30, a .416 or a .50...

I believe the record was LV and that means a 10.5lb. rifle and he was shooting a 6ppc. He used surplus 8208 powder. More later.
Butch

I guess I should stop loading my plinker .223's with the white jug powder then?

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I guess I should stop loading my plinker .223's with the white jug powder then?

What white jug you talkin' about, Willis? I have some WC852 in a white gallon jug. Supposed to be the equivalent of H380. I use 27.5 grains of it for 55-grain .223Remingtom loads. I also have a white jug of WC846 which I use for the same round. Supposed to be the same as BL-C(2). I use 25.0 grains of that for 55-grain pills. Don't go tellin' me I have loaded up a whole passel of bad ammo...

It might be interesting to know the other group sizes he shot at that distance as well as any other groups fired in the same relay.

Go to BR.Com and do a search.
Butch

Unsucessful - can you post a link to the match results or at least say what match it was and where?

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Originally posted by sonofagun:
Unsucessful - can you post a link to the match results or at least say what match it was and where?

Unfortunately, match results for NBRSA matches are not posted in full detail on the web. They are available to the shooters who were present at the match in a "match report". Some get published later on the the official NBRSA newsletter. Anynow, the match was a Southeast region affair held at Unaka, Tennessee, I believe. I don't know what each of his other groups was, but Johnnie didn't win the AGG, but that's all I know. Groups like this one are a once in a lifetime opportunity that has a whole lot of luck involved. Shooting tiny groups is what most shooters strive for when the accuracy bug hits. Truth be told however, that's not what competitive Benchrest shooting is all about. It's really about not shooting BIG groups.

I believe it was July 18-20 area this year. Pointblank gave you the rest that I know.
Butch

Well, I hope someone can find and post the information here or a link at least. What were the conditions? I know some luck had to be involved.

Let me take a guess. It was raining and the wind was blowing a gale. The guy next to him shot an 1.5" group.
When the new NBRSA monthly publication comes out, more info will be in it.
Butch

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Originally posted by pointblank:
not many 22's on the line these day's. Most likely a 6PPC...but you are correct, it may well be untouchable. Heck, that group would trump at least one of the existing 100yd IBS records I can think of.

When I had a new barrel put on my 40-x a 2 or 3 years ago I almost went to the 6mm PPC but having just bought over 70 boxes of 53 gr. Sierra benchrest bullets for 2.20/box at an estate sale, the cost of replacing that many 22 cal with 6mm, made the choice to stay with the 22PPC an easy one. Of course most lots of Sierra BR buttets are not likely to stand up to a Shilen match bullet for example but for the difference in price and the fact I only shoot in local matches I'll probably be shooting 53 gr Sierras for quite some time. I've have some shooters swear that the 22PPC is more accurate than the 6mm, but I suspect any difference is probably more attribitable to weather conditions more than anything else.

F. Prefect

So what's the best groups you're getting with those Sierras?

Found it!

http://www.benchrest.com/forum...3313&highlight=Unaka

http://www.benchrest.com/forum...3251&highlight=Unaka

sonofagun, did you notice that, as usual, the shooter with the smallest group did not place in the Agg. or, the Grand Agg.? This is what some people don't understand about BR shooting.
While Johnny has got to be congratulated on a new record and some fine shooting, it takes 5 groups to make up an Agg. You don't have to shoot five really little groups, you just can't shoot any big ones.
Once again, congrats to Johnny.

My experience with .224 vs 6mm is that speed in the 22 caliber can often overide the wind components especially in 200 yard and less. My next benchrest rifle will be a 22br like Ratigan shoots -- Loved his book on benchrest shooting.....
I think he calls it a 22/100. Big ass case behind the little 22 pellet.....

Yes, I noticed. Actually I'm quite familiar with benchrest shooting and competition.

"...it takes 5 groups to make up an Agg. You don't have to shoot five really little groups, you just can't shoot any big ones."

Kinda like tournament golf

Mike Ratigan shoots a .100 short 22ppc. No body shoots a 22br in competition that I am aware of as it is severely overbore. For sure Ratigan doesn't use the BR case.
Butch

AS Butch pointed out, Mike doesn't shoot a 22BR...no one that wants to win would. The .22PPC-.100" is about the right capacity for a 22 caliber cartridge in the short range game. A few other shooters(George Kelbly and Bill Forrester most notably) have been campaigning .22's for years. A straight .220 Russain is a favorite, as it has the right size burn column for the 52 grainers as well.

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Originally posted by homebrewer:

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Nice, but meaningless to many of us without telling us what he was shooting.

I have to disagree a bit. The goal is to shoot a small center-to-center group, regardless of the caliber used. Imagine a .047" shot with a 155mm howitzer. Damned impressive, that would be! It's equally impressive to me to hear of a .047" shot with a .22, a 6mm, a .30, a .416 or a .50...

Only numbers I want to hear are target distance and MOA . . .

-- caliber, bullet weight, rifling, case prep, load, primer, trigger, optics, wind, ambient temp . . . humidity . . .

"200 metres and 0.47" don't tell me much.

Mr Ladd,
Do you think that group was shot with unprepped brass? 200yds and a .047 group is approx .0235MOA.
That answer your question?
Butch

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"200 metres and 0.47" don't tell me much

Hey Butch,

is that the same powder at the Tubal?

Rich

Are the scorers reporting that group as MOA or inches? I ask because there was no " or MOA on the original post and I have run into a couple of posts where groups AND aggs were reported in MOA. What class gun was used?

Just a reminder: Mark Walker shot a .067" .0335 MOA 5 shot group at the WA state unlimited championship in July, this year.

Groups in BR are actual size. The aggregates are computed in MOA. Unlimiteds are railguns and the bag guns MOA was .0235 as listed above. An .067 group is great with any rifle, but not as god as the .047 group.



Butch

Thanks for providing that info which was not in the original post. BTW, although these days a lot if not most unlimited guns are rails, not ALL are. In WA (the birthplace of benchrest) some clubs insist on shoulder fired rifles only. I still do not see which class in which the group you report was shot.

Just a gripe at SOME scorers and posters if they read this forum: If everyone reported the same way, the question of inches or MOA would not have come up.--later- here's another gripe to add to the confusion- Looking at the NBRSA short range records-you'll find short range aggs listed as inches not MOA-and we thought those guys at least had this all down pat.
http://nbrsa.org/nbrsa-short-r...-records#attachments