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Lads: I recently had a distrubing chat with a major airline captian. I have known this chap for over 30 years so I consider his views to be honest. This guy did not get his rating from the public trough(military) but his skills came as a result of his personal costs and experience flying night mail and freight in the Midwest. With complete opentness, he stated that if I knew the qualifications and skills of many of the airline pilots, I would not get on the plane! In short, he believes that many of the pilots do not have flying skills. It seems that the "accident" in upper New York state, tends to support his views. My personal experience only extends to a couple of thousand hours of single pilot IFR, so I can not weight in on his views. I am putting this topic forth to ascertain whether any of the AR lads have a informed view on this matter. | ||
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"This guy did not get his rating from the public trough(military) but his skills came as a result of his personal costs and experience flying night mail and freight in the Midwest." With the above comment, I think you have pissed off a bunch of pilots (me included) here who put their ass on the line for you. Hey, go sit on a catapult at night on a pitching deck in a squall, loaded to max gross with stuff that blows up and headed into all types of SAMS and AAA and tell me that you're eating at the "public trough". Oh yeah!... I forgot, landing back on the boat is publicly paid caviar, I guess... or tanking an darn near empty F-15 at night in mid-ocean in thunderstorms or flying a medivac, saving some shot-to-shit soldiers, bullets zinging through your helicopter with white trails of RPG's all about... public trough, my ass! JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Yep! I got my experience flying night "mail" and "freight" too. 2 or 3 times a night into N. Vietnam. Never logged any landings there, although several of my compadres made the silk descent and took up temporary residence or are still there in non-flying status. Public trough?...KMA! | |||
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First off, let me make it clear that I AM NOT A PILOT for an airline but I do have forty-five years experience with a major air carrier. And while I don't know your friend the Captain I have known and do know a lot of pilots and let me say up front, your friend is talking through his hat, to put it mildly. The profession has always been one wherein it weeds itself and the weak sisters are soon gone. All of the pilots I have ever known are bona fide professionals and some few of them are absolute fanatics - like one I knew very well [fell victim to cancer and we lost him] transitioned into a new type rating and on his own time came to the maintenance base and went through an engine overhaul "to learn all I can about how it operates, might need to know that someday." My hat is off to these guys that fly the line, and I will always have a ton of respect for them. RIP, 'Scrap Iron', you were some guy, either in the B747 or in your Eagle. Lord, give me patience 'cuz if you give me strength I'll need bail money!! 'TrapperP' | |||
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Hey I came up through the civilian path. I did all kinds of jobs from night freight, bush flying fire fighting, corporate, non sched world wide heavy jet stuff to where I am today flying as a captain for a major airline. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of our military veterans, our current active, reserve and guard guys for their service. Obviously somebody does not understand the sacrifice and duty that it takes to be a military pilot. Whether you are military or civilian in your background you aren't going to get far in this business as a weak sister. I do have to agree with your buddy in one respect however there are some weak dicks who were hired in the regionals several years ago. And unless the corporate asshole who run these airlines start realizing and valuing good professional pilots and paying them a decent wage they will continue to attract weak dicks we will see more and more accidents and deaths. The American public has gotten exactly what they are willing to pay for when it comes to airline service. | |||
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Cpaer, Congratulations, you moron! You managed to piss all over yourself in less than 100 words. You could damn near walk across the country on the wreckage of commuter airline hulls. They have been spinning out of the air way before your friend turned a wheel. If you had been more tactful maybe I would care to add to this. Single pilot IFR, huh? I guess that means nobody else was in the room when you are playing with your computer. JOIN SCI! | |||
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If I hadn't been so pissed about the "trough" comment, I'd have replied with something similar to the "weak sister" comment that you accurately described. Even in the military, even among those who survived the culling process to TAC or VMFA/VMA/VF, army attack helicopters or whatever the "Hat-in-the-Ring" designation of the day, some folks shouldn't be there (and I imagine you can say that in spades for "mail pilots, too). Yet, considering the demands on civil aviation to make money in this economy, I still get in commercial airplane and fly. The odds are mighty damn good that I'll get where I want to go. The FAA ain't perfect, but it sure beats the "success" rate of most gov't entities. Getting killed on a commercial flight is about the same as winning the lottery, I reckon?? Still, peer reporting might not be a bad idea??? As a lawyer of 30+ years, I wish that we'd police ourselves better. We don't often kill folks, but we often do them disservice and should have a better vehicle for self-policing the "weak sisters". JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Two birds I dream of flying, assuming the Eagle is the F-15. Maybe you mean Scrap Iron's Christen Eagle? My condolences to the family of Scrap Iron. It's always a sad thing to see a pilot fade away by whatever means. Those guys risk The End every time they go up. We lost a tanker jock to firefighting just today in a Nevada wildfire near Lovelock... | |||
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What he said... | |||
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I came up thru the civil side of the street because my eye sight was not good enough for the Navy. I don't know who your friend is and I don't care. But I Have flown with a lot of ex military pilots and earn a thing or two from them that kept me from breaking my back side. Just plain BS. As to accidents, well guess what they happen, because as human being we are not perfect. | |||
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