Reportedly somewhere between Malaysia >> Bejing

Search and rescue being mobilized... after the aircraft went out of radio contact

Latest word is they've found an oil slick off the coast of Vietnam


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...-carrying-23-people/

According to one report, there were 2 passengers on board with stolen passports? Possible terrorist act?

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
According to one report, there were 2 passengers on board with stolen passports? Possible terrorist act?

Given the complete sudden disappearance, the Air France crash came to mind. Passports could be a red herring

http://www.usatoday.com/story/...ines-search/6203017/

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...rt/story?id=16717404

Grizz

Way to early to comment with authority. Until we can map the debris field and hopefully recover the CVR & DFDR any comments would be pure speculation.

I understand it would be speculation but what happened? Obviously it crashed but why? Could the plane actually just explode? Maybe a Bomb on board? Could it have been shot down? Wouldn't their be a signal form the transponder to locate the plane? Some type of Radio transmission from the Pilot for an Emergency?

Early to speculate I suppose...but no debris field? Some speculation I have read is that there might have been a loss of primary electrical systems that, supposedly on a 777, means you have an hour of backup systems to easer her down. If that happened, I suppose they could have ditched the plane in one piece...and which point, after a time, she sinks. But then...why no transponder? The whole deal seems odd.

Non-pilot here. A while back on this forum a member posted a government report on an accident. As I recall it occurred somewhere in the Pacific and involved a foreign carrier. I was greatly impressed by the report, and esp. it's analysis of the cultural influences on cockpit performance.

In this morning's Seattle Times was an article about Maylasia related to the missing 777. It is a culturally divided country, and not particularly democratic. Details in the article suggested to me that cultural factors could be at work here. I suspect the recent accident in San Francisco might also have been caused in part by such factors. I recall that an AR member referred to a lack of "basic airmanship".

I think the one you are thinking of was the 'ramp strike' at San Francisco by the Korean airliner.

I agree, we have some very experienced pilots here on AR and I look forward to their posts.

Although somehow I always think of surestike in his bunny slippers.

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Although somehow I always think of surestike in his bunny slippers.

They go good with an airline uniform too.

I think this was an intelligence operation of one kind or another that did not come off cleanly. What ever they are up to, there is nothing they won't do....

The fly in the ointment might have been the Malaysian military not getting the memo, and coming right out and saying they had the plane on primary radar, after it was lost on secondary radar.

One really odd thing, 20 engineers from a single technology company R and D department, were reported to have been on the flight. Maybe this group was that important? I have seen it reported the company was based in Austin, USA,

here is an entire article that says it was an AWACS plane that hijacked the plane electronically. I do not know if this is technically possible, maybe someone with some technical background in the industry can comment.
Quoted from another site, and reposted with permission


Malaysian airlines flight 377 has been provably hijacked by an AWACS plane. This is outlined in the updates below.

The Malaysian military tracked this plane for a full hour with military radar after it “vanished from civilian radar because “the transponders were switched off” (B.S.) radar is radar, it does not need a “transponder” to track a plane. And Awacs would have shut down any transponder for a plane kidnapping anyway, it took no terrorist to do it. Radar is there to prevent private planes which have no transponders from hitting commercial ones among other things, and if radar can see a private plane that has no transponder it certainly can see a huge jumbo jet. So you can take the transponder lies and trash them.
But the plane DID disappear from civilian radar even though military radar tracked it for a now admitted full hour longer. Only an AWACS type system could do this. When I refer to Awacs in this context, it means any plane that looks like this, and they have multiple purposes, not only radar.

What could make a plane disappear from civilian radar while at 36,000 feet yet still be visible on military radar? ONE THING, and it looks like a UFO (as some have speculated) only it’s attached to a boeing jet – the antenna on a U.S. Air Force AWACS plane. The fact that this missing jet vanished from civilian radar yet remained visible on more robust military radars proves well enough for me that this indeed was an AWACS hijacking, just like we saw on 9/11 where AWACS planes were seen on video observing if not controlling the crashes into the twin towers. Once the plane flew far enough West, Awacs was obviously enough to jam both civilian and military radars, probably because they entered a zone where the angle of both incoming signals allowed for their simultaneous cancellation. That is where the plane finally “vanished” forever, an hour after the “official” vanishing act. The final vanish happened while at 29,500 feet.

In this scenario, we now have: The plane did a u-turn and flew the other way for a now admitted full hour. THAT supports the Awacs story.

Obvious fake photoshopping of “terrorists”. THAT supports the Awacs story.

Cell phones still ringing, which would only be possible with a safe landing. THAT supports the Awacs story

Missing black boxes. THAT supports the Awacs story (the plane is obviously intact)

A reason to electronically hijack the airplane – 20 top people from a semiconductor firm that works defense, with employees working for countries that are not allies yet VERY powerful – THAT supports the Awacs story


And the GRAND FINALE: PLANE DISAPPEARS FROM CIVILIAN RADARS WHILE REMAINING VISIBLE ON MILITARY RADARS. THAT supports the Awacs story and pushes it to the forefront of logic like a tsunami on a beach umbrella, if THAT does not raise a few eyebrows people are sleeping.

And I’d have to say the CIA’s obvious pushing of B.S. regarding this supports the Awacs story as well; If this plane shows up somewhere in pieces now, it was electronically hijacked by an AWACS plane – the same type seen on 9/11, and the people were offloaded and questioned (engineers probably waterboarded for defense secrets). IF that plane shows up in pieces now it happened last night, not three days ago FINAL ANSWER.

UPDATE: Exact logic sequence for proving the U.S. air force hijacked the Malaysian airlines flight.

1. Absent an awacs type system which can precisely monitor a received signal and spoof a return signal (or phase cancel it) you cannot disappear a non stealth aluminum skinned plane from ANY radar system. After vanishing from civilian radars, it remained on military radars that would work better against AWACS. That pretty much says it all.

2. Iran is an ally of Russia. Russia has Awacs type systems, but would not try to frame up Iran in a terror plot with a fake passport story supported by idiotically faked photos. Russia did not do this.

3. China and Malaysia also have Awacs type systems. Since it was a Malaysian plane flying with Chinese engineers, it is safe to rationalize out that neither China nor Malaysia did this.

4. Though the engineers on the plane also worked with stealth technologies such as Awacs, it takes a huge UFO shaped antenna to make such systems work, and Malaysian passenger jets do not have them as a standard feature. This was not a stunt played by Freescale Semiconductors.

5. Israel wants war with Iran, and the CIA hatching a terror plot with horribly faked photos stands in the evidence pool against the U.S. air force, which is their sex slave.

6. The obvious motive was military, and a real tie in was the fact that the plane disappeared from civilian radar while at full cruising altitude, but not the military radars. In this case the air force had to choose which radar they would spoof with Awacs (there is extreme difficulty with spoofing more than one system simultaneously unless there is a lucky alignment of signals) and they just hoped the military would not catch on. ONE PROBLEM, the Malaysian military was not as inept as the Air Force thought. PLAN FAILURE.

7. The Iranian terror plot fits the logic tree well. Since the photos were obviously faked, WHO WOULD DO THAT? WHO WANTS WAR WITH IRAN? No brainer there.

8. The cell phones are ringing, and the only organization in the world that can say where they are is the NSA. WHY THE SILENCE?

logic sequence output: Because the plane was hijacked electronically by those who keep the NSA funded and the NSA has been told to SHUT UP. If those phones were in lost baggage, the NSA would have said so RIGHT AWAY, and even the airline company would have figured it out by now, found the bags, heard the phones ringing and said, OH, WE KNOW WHY THEY RING. And the phones are not dead ringing as can happen with some american carriers, because on one occasion one of the phones was picked up and hung up without anything being said. But NOPE, NOTHING on this from the NSA, which means those phones are ringing on a runway somewhere, and the NSA knows EXACTLY WHERE. Yet they still support the CIA, which is doing it’s best to hatch a B.S. terror plot about a couple Iranians with fake photos and THERE IS YOUR ANSWER, AMERICA HAS THAT PLANE AND IS PROBABLY WATERBOARDING THE FREESCALE ENGINEERS RIGHT NOW, EXTRACTING CHINESE MILITARY SECRETS. If the plane is now “found” in pieces it will mean “they” gave up on the B.S. story line and decided to ditch it somewhere rather than use it on the Petronas towers or the Sears tower.

The hijacking story won’t work now that we know the Malaysian military was able to track the plane because a hijacker cannot switch off a radar system 500 miles away and cannot prevent the plane from being found on radar wherever it went to, ONLY AWACS COULD.
Blockbuster UPDATE:

BLOCKBUSTER UPDATE: FAKE PASSPORT GUYS WERE PHOTOSHOPPED. Take a look at their legs. HA HA HA – that’s a bad screw up. Here is the original article this picture appeared in, Needless to say, I preserved this one.

Caption below original photo: “A Malaysian police official displays photographs of the two men who boarded the Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight using stolen European passports to the media at a hotel near Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Sepang on March 11, 2014. — PHOTO: AFP” Now that’s an absolute LAUGH. That’s as bad as the blood spatters going the wrong way at the bat man shooting.

Get while the getting is good, they are going to “fix this” ASAP.

Too late, this entire article including comments below is now preserved and will post tomorrow in it’s full glory on this web site so you can just save it as a Jpeg tomorrow. That way the black hole of censorship won’t suck this one beyond the event horizon.

Don't know anything other than, things are not as they seem.

LOL!!! Is this the same site that espouses the "chemtrails" theory?

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LOL!!! Is this the same site that espouses the "chemtrails" theory?

No shit what a bunch of idiotic drivel. It takes very little education or industry knowledge to blow holes all through his "technical" data.

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Originally posted by A7drvr:
LOL!!! Is this the same site that espouses the "chemtrails" theory?

I'm glad someone said it!

that is what I was hoping this crowd would say.

there is a lot of mistrust out in the population. Combine that with an incomplete technical understanding, and you can get some creative ideas!

Me? I don't know what happened to the airplane, I think it had a center tank fuel explosion, ya know, like flight 800 did about 15 years ago

Wake up bitches.

Low Tech...
Send your theories to the editors of Aviation Week and Space Technology...they can always use a good laugh and might even delegate a knowledgeable writer to address the multiple factual errors in your note.

I do not subscribe to any particular specific theory....

I do believe this:

The powers that be are playing a VERY high stakes game....The American population is a participant in that game. Our government's powers come from us, the people, yet we are not allowed to know the true nature of the game. As a group, we are fat, dumb, and content. Like sheep to the slaughter.

another wild ass theory...

this one from a site called "Veterans Today"

Transponder signals mysteriously disappear. Jetliners veer off course, then vanish without a trace. Seemingly impossible cell phone calls add to the mystery.


It happened on 9/11. Now it has happened again in Malaysia.

Family members of the passengers on Malaysian Airlines MH370 report getting ring tones when they call their missing loved ones. Social networking sites show the missing passengers “on-line.” The airline reports getting ring tones on the crew’s cell phones.

According to the London Daily Mail, “a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy has confirmed to families that his company had tried to call the cellphones of crew members and they too had also rang out. According to China.org.cn, 19 families of those missing have signed a joint statement confirming that their calls connected to their loved ones but that they rang out.”

The implications are astonishing. Again quoting the Daily Mail:

“Telecoms expert Alan Spencer told MailOnline that if the phones are really ringing, they can categorically not be under the sea. He added that the phones will only be ringing if they are ‘switched on, not in water, the battery is charged, and [they are] near a mobile cell site.’ This means that if the phones are genuinely ringing, the plane needs to have landed on land – not in the sea – and be in a location where there is cell service, rather than landing in the middle of a jungle, for example.”

Perhaps this was not an ordinary plane crash.

Malaysian authorities report that ground control lost contact with Flight 370 about two hours after takeoff. As with the four planes on 9/11, the transponder was inexplicably turned off and the plane veered wildly off course, yet the crew sent no distress signal – a procedure that takes only a few seconds. Authorities report that Flight 370 flew hundreds of miles off-course, heading west instead of north, before disappearing.

The missing plane seemingly cannot have crashed in the water; if it had, cell phones would not be ringing out. It must have crashed – or landed – somewhere with cell phone service.

Some analysts believe the plane was stolen. According to them, it was an “inside job” hijacking, probably by remote control.

Radio journalist Michael Rivero wonders if money is the motive: “Is Malaysia Flight 370 in a chop shop? A 777 costs roughly $300 million. Given that scarcity drives up prices, the parts from a 777 would be worth at least $100 million in the aftermarket. There is a motive for the plane to vanish, leave no trace, and have flown so dramatically off course! If my theory is correct, the search of the Malacca straights will find nothing. I would start looking at abandoned/closed airfields in that region with large hangers.”

In an exclusive interview with Truth Jihad Radio, one of America’s leading physicists, Dr. David Griscom, asks whether MH370 may have been stolen by the same gang of international terrorists behind the 9/11 false flag operation. “The new Airbuses out of France are now fly-by-wire, which scares me, because a number of those planes have disappeared in ways that I think they really didn’t crash and disappear; they’ve been hijacked (by remote control) and somebody is putting them together for another false flag attack someplace. The Malaysian plane, a Boeing 777, is just the latest example (of an apparent remote-hijacking). Before that, there was the Airbus 744 from Brazil to Paris. It crashed under incredibly anomalous circumstances. And after a few days, they showed photos of ‘various pieces of it’ floating out in the water. Totally staged! One part of it was clearly something that the next wave that hit it would have sunk.”

Dr. Griscom points out that the anomalous cell phone calls from Malaysian Flight 370 are reminiscent of those from the allegedly hijacked airliners of September 11th, 2001. In both cases, “impossible” cell phone calls puzzled experts.

The FBI and the media initially reported 15 cell phone calls from hijacked airliners on 9/11. At least one of the recipients, Deena Burnett, was absolutely certain that her husband, a passenger on UA93, had called her from his cell phone, whose number came up on her caller ID. The problem: The Burnett call, and the other alleged cell phone calls, could not possibly have been placed from the airliners, which were flying at high altitudes, too fast and far beyond the range of 2001 cell phone technology.

In his article “Phone calls from the 9/11 planes: How they fooled America,” Dr. David Ray Griffin explains that the 9/11 cell phone calls – starting with the notorious “calls” from Bush Administration cheerleader Barbara Olson to her husband, Bush’s Solicitor General Ted Olson – must have been faked.

The FBI agrees with Dr. Griffin. After spending five years telling the American people about the “cell phone calls,” the FBI radically revised its story in 2006, admitting that 13 of the 15 alleged 9/11 cell phone calls never happened. Amazingly, the FBI even admitted that Ted Olson never received the famous phone calls from his wife, who (Olson claimed) had supposedly called him from hijacked Flight 77.

Olson should have been immediately arrested for obstruction of justice.

The FBI has recognized other 9/11 cell call anomalies. For example, according to the FBI, one of the alleged calls from Flight 93 lasted for two hours and six minutes after the supposed crash; another lasted 65 minutes after the official crash time.

No wonder the FBI has always taken the official position that “Osama Bin Laden was never wanted in connection with 9/11, because there is no hard evidence Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11.” The FBI knows 9/11 was an inside job. They know – as Elias Davidsson’s book Hijacking America’s Mind on 9/11 explains – that none of the 19 Arabs blamed for 9/11 was even on board any of the allegedly hijacked planes.

Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim, a Zionist extremist, managed to lose 2.3 trillion dollars from the Pentagon’s accounts shortly before 9/11. Zakheim’s company SPC invented a “flight termination system” designed to allow operators to seize control of aircraft by remote control and fly them from the ground. Several of the key people who developed Zakheim’s “Flight Termination System” were on the 9/11 flights. Were they silenced? Or rewarded with money and a new identity in a National Security Witness Protection Program?

Zakheim’s “Flight Termination System” appears to have been used on 9/11.

Was it also used on Malaysian Airlines Flight 370?

here is my favorite.
300 million in gold was a "secret cargo" on the flight

"It landed on an island somewhere in the Indian Ocean, the Chinese gold was offloaded onto a Navy submarine, and someone got a lesson in not threatening to sell treasuries."

this makes as much sense as any of the other theories.

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Originally posted by low_tech:
here is my favorite.
300 million in gold was a "secret cargo" on the flight

"It landed on an island somewhere in the Indian Ocean, the Chinese gold was offloaded onto a Navy submarine, and someone got a lesson in not threatening to sell treasuries."

this makes as much sense as any of the other theories.

Love it!

Shaken or stirred?

The missing Malaysian jetliner was deliberately diverted and continued flying for more than six hours after severing contact with the ground, meaning it could have gone as far northwest as Kazakhstan or into the Indian Ocean's southern reaches, Malaysia's leader said Saturday.

I do not believe for a second that someone stole the airliner and presumably killed 239PAssengers and crew to sell airplane parts that have serial numbers on them and are as traceable as surgical implants.

I expect the plane to "turn up" somewhere a few miles from some large important building and the specific aircraft to be identified by the serialized parts of the debris after impact
against the terrorist's intended target

in the bag:

Iraq's gold
Libya's gold
Ukraine's gold

on deck:
Venezuela
Syria
Iran
Brazil

what is so important about gold, besides being real money?

Sifting through the reports and determining the truth is a daunting task. Best guesstimate is that the plane flew on for around 5 or so hours based on engine maintenance "pings". US authorities believe the plane took either a northwesterly route or a west/SW route towards the Indian Ocean. Pilot and co-pilot were Muslims. Pilot had a crude flight simulator at home and was known to be vocal about his politics. Why would he need a flight simulator when he likely had access to a real one? Perhaps he was rehearsing something that would have raised a red flag.

Northwesterly Route - I can envision the plane maneuvering radically to confuse radar and then intercepting a NW bound scheduled airline flight. Running with no nav lights or transponder the Malaysian jet could have fallen into formation in trail with the airliner, slightly below and behind. This would mask it to radar and allow it to penetrate mainland radar undetected. After reaching inland, it could have then dropped out of formation and flown on to it's destination, most likely undetected or un-noticed.

Southwesterly Route - Almost exactly 5 1/2 hrs flying time from last known position lies the Muslim dominated Maldive Islands. Once past northern Malaysia there is nothing but a vast expanse of open sea. Likely unmonitored by radar. At the southern tip of the Maldives is the island of Gan. At the southern tip of that island is Gan International Airport. It has a runway more than adequate to handle a Boeing 777. In fact, an old 2012 satellite photo on Digitalglobe.com shows a 777 sized airliner parked next to the terminal. The island is sparsely populated and an aircraft could easily land at night undetected. The plane would have been racing ahead of the sun and made it there in the dark.

Why the plane was stolen is anybody's guess at this point. Loaded with explosives it would be a formidable cruise missle. Stripped, the plane can lift over 250,000 lbs of cargo. That much TNT equivalent equals a quarter kiloton blast energy. That's like a small theater grade nuke. We already know it is capable of being navigated virtually undetected. They've taken down the twin towers in NYC. I wonder if they have their eyes on another twin towers in Malaysia?

Bobster

sounds like a good analysis.

if this is truly an unscripted event, I would be surprised.

I think this was an operation that did not got off as planned. Now they are going to lay it at the feet of the pilot. After they can't figure out a way to blame the Iranians...

Maybe the plane is parked on an island somewhere...who knows, the only thing that I know for sure, it that the rule of law has been lost, and the trust of the governed is going, going, gone.

Look for a rough ride for the next decade. Things will never be as they were again.

Have hope in your heart, and nasty in your pants

Bobster:

good call on the Maldives....

Malaysian Airlines MH370: live
Maldives 'witnesses' report seeing 'low flying jet' on morning that MH370 disappeared, as the search becomes the longest in modern aviation history - follow latest updates on missing Malaysia Airlines plane

News reports are all over the place. Boeing isn't talking. Seems to me this is a shell game to keep the enemy confused. Look for a rescue mission soon.

I had a horrible thought that these SOB's would load the cargo bay with explosives and fly the plane and passengers towards a target with the passengers thinking they were going home, forcing the intended target nation to shoot them down.

Is this the same David Funk appearing on CNN?

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Originally posted by f224:
Way to early to comment with authority. Until we can map the debris field and hopefully recover the CVR & DFDR any comments would be pure speculation.

any body know anything about the BUAP system?
on boeing jets since 2006 or so, allows a control center, within range, to take utter control of an aircraft. Heard some interesting technical details this morning from a person that worked for Boeing a few years ago, and he had some interesting ideas.

System was conceived to counter a hijack event, and allows a plane to be controlled 100% remotely.

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Originally posted by low_tech:
any body know anything about the BUAP system?
on boeing jets since 2006 or so, allows a control center, within range, to take utter control of an aircraft. Heard some interesting technical details this morning from a person that worked for Boeing a few years ago, and he had some interesting ideas.

System was conceived to counter a hijack event, and allows a plane to be controlled 100% remotely.

Not on any Boeing jets that I fly on a daily basis........

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Originally posted by SR4759:
Is this the same David Funk appearing on CNN?

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Originally posted by f224:
Way to early to comment with authority. Until we can map the debris field and hopefully recover the CVR & DFDR any comments would be pure speculation.

Yes it is.

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Not on any Boeing jets that I fly on a daily basis........

surestrike,
that is something he mentioned, that the pilots, or anyone with physical access have practically 0 probability to alter the control of the system, and 0 communications, once it is activated.

there is a patent for the system, and that is public information.

I am hoping to find someone with technical knowledge of the system.

An interesting tidbit...the very last "ping" came in at around 8:10am local time....this is after around 7 hours of no signal return from the engine control system. The last normal ping was around 1:07am local time, another was due at 1:37am local time but never happened. Why the 7 hour delay between 1:07 to 8 am? This happens to be the same amount of time that the aircraft could have flown, with the fuel aboard.
I suggest that the last ping(8;10am) was a fake, in order to change the area of the search, or provide details for the planes eventual recovery. Provided by someone with the technology, and that narrows down the possibilities. If they find the aircraft now, it is because they got what they needed, and then sunk the plane.

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surestrike,
that is something he mentioned, that the pilots, or anyone with physical access have practically 0 probability to alter the control of the system, and 0 communications, once it is activated.

So you are saying that there is a system installed on the plane that I fly that I am not aware of? Really.....

It doesn't work that way pal. There is also a patent for a missile defense system on commercial aircraft amongst multiple other systems that have been designed that were never put into service. That does not mean that it is installed on any aircraft being flown. BTW just a little food for thought. How once ATC takes over are they going to remotely pilot the airplane to a landing without extensive flight and systems training? Answer... NOT GOING to happen.

You came on here with the pretense of wanting to learn. Maybe you should shut your trap and listen up. I am giving you true and correct information. Choose to do with it what you want but you are going to cause people like me to ignore you very soon with your conspiracy theory BS!

surestrike,
no need to get pissy...

the guy I was talking to, is an older engineer, worked for Boeing, and is someone who I tend to believe.

It is generally difficult for people, be they pilots, doctors, operators, or whatever to realize, that the control they exercise, is not as powerful as they thought.
Ignore me or not, doesn't make any difference to me.
I stated up front I was looking for someone with technical knowledge of the Boeing Uninteruptible Auto Pilot(BUAP) if you don't have that information, then don't get defensive about it. Just because you fly the plane, doesn't mean you have all the answers.

I am rational about my ideas, anything you want to share, I would like to hear it, just be polite, I never insulted you, so lose the attitude.

BUAP Service Centers ALL OVER THE WORLD

AFDS-770 Autopilot Flight Director System

Overview

Put the proven standard autopilot flight director system of the Boeing 777 to work for you. The Rockwell Collins AFDS-770 incorporates technology advancements consistent with Boeing’s state-of-the-art design objectives. So you can trust it fully digital, fail operational autopilot, flight director and fly-by-wire backdrive system.

The triplex system provides multichannel cruise autopilot and flight director control functions for speed selection, altitude modes, heading/track modes, vertical speed/flight path angle modes, vertical/lateral flight management control selection, and fully automatic landing and go-around modes. The AFDS-770 also provides for backdrive of the captain's and first officer's control columns and control wheels during all phases of the flight envelope, and will also backdrive the rudder pedals during autoland and go-around. The backdrive system provides traditional wheel, column and pedal feedback for the 777 fly-by-wire system under autopilot control.


http://www.rockwellcollins.com...Director_System.aspx

sounds like a real system to me, how about you?

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Originally posted by low_tech:
BUAP Service Centers ALL OVER THE WORLD

AFDS-770 Autopilot Flight Director System

Overview

Put the proven standard autopilot flight director system of the Boeing 777 to work for you. The Rockwell Collins AFDS-770 incorporates technology advancements consistent with Boeing’s state-of-the-art design objectives. So you can trust it fully digital, fail operational autopilot, flight director and fly-by-wire backdrive system.

The triplex system provides multichannel cruise autopilot and flight director control functions for speed selection, altitude modes, heading/track modes, vertical speed/flight path angle modes, vertical/lateral flight management control selection, and fully automatic landing and go-around modes. The AFDS-770 also provides for backdrive of the captain's and first officer's control columns and control wheels during all phases of the flight envelope, and will also backdrive the rudder pedals during autoland and go-around. The backdrive system provides traditional wheel, column and pedal feedback for the 777 fly-by-wire system under autopilot control.


http://www.rockwellcollins.com...Director_System.aspx

sounds like a real system to me, how about you?

CONGRATULATIONS!

You just posted a description of the standard B-777 auto-flight system installed on every B-777 ever produced. No secrets, no ground control take over ability and no conspiracy theories confirmed here.

BTW

How is your ground controlled version supposed to work when the aircraft is NOT in radio or satellite contact? Like out over the middle of the Indian Ocean?

It helps to have enough knowledge to at least know what you are looking at. Back drive simply means that when one set of controls moves the other set does as well which all fly by wire Boeing's do and Airbuses do not. I'll simple it down even further for you. When the capt moves his control wheel the F/O's control wheel does exactly the same thing and the opposite holds true as well.

Any other questions about the B-777 auto flight system? I was an instructor and check airmen on the B-777 for almost a decade. And there is no ground take over capability on the B-777 auto flight system PERIOD end of story.

yep, it is on every one of them, doesn't that make you feel good?

satellites make communications over the horizon possible and reliable.

Hope your right surestrike, but, as I said earlier, trust has been lost, and I for one, expect to be lied to, every time I listen to anything.

Get your money out of the stock market, and 401k's, they are coming.

Dangnabbitt! This is as good as watching all the "experts" on the TV news. Low-tech, I think you're well on the way to solving this mystery!

A7driver

just entertainment.