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Wonder what our pilots here think of this bird. http://www.reuters.com/article...rplane-idUSKCN0YU2FD There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | ||
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The Russians have always made interesting planes. As long as it isn't operated by a Russian airline, it should sell... Dave | |||
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Worked over there. Spent a lot of time on the Tupelov 134 and 154. They are scary. Russians do not make decent toilet paper, so how can they a decent passenger airplane? | |||
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Truckloads of very high end machining tools headed out of Ukraine after the Crimea fracas. I would bet that has a lot to do with them even trying to make a competitor to Airbus or Boeing. Probably won't work. They don't have the engine efficiency, heck, they don't have the metallurgy the west has to make turbine blades with long lifetimes. Their composite work has been limited at best, much less in large pressurized aircraft. They might be 15% better than a early series 767, but not a 350 or 787. Russian engineering is oddly impressive...their military aircraft were adequate, relatively inexpensive and could be maintained by a peasant farmer with a ball peen hammer and pliers but comfort and efficiency aren't their bailiwick. And that's what airlines want. If I am working, hunting season is too far away to imagine. If I am getting things ready for hunting season, opening day is perilously close. | |||
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Wonder which western airliner they copied ?  Even their supersonic prototype looked uncannily like the Concorde. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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I'll tell you what. If Boeing doesn't pull it head out of it's ass with these current crappy 737NG's they will find themselves wondering why they are no longer able to sell a single isle, narrow body aircraft. The only reason the 737 line is still alive is because of South West Airlines. The 737 should have been scrapped decades ago. The 737NG is a sorry under performing, noisy little sky pig. | |||
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Cheap sky pig. Straight out of the US Corporate shareholder driven manual for manufacturers. Big auto does same, so do machinery makers. Always trying to remarket light duty hardware to heavy duty customers. The market always sorts this BS. | |||
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As I say to my WN (Southwest) friends, slow fat and ugly is no way to go through life... Dave | |||
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Gotta disagree.  737 started out as a smallish short haul airlinere. Couple of years ago, flew in one non stop from Calgary to Manzanillo. Look that up on the map. Canadian Westjet has built it's success on flying one type of aircraft, guess which one ?  Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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The 737-600-700-800NG's are the best of the bunch and do not suffer from the unacceptable performance issues that the 900 series does. West Jet does not operate the 900. That being said the 737 series uses the same flight deck profile that was used on the 707 and the 727. Pure 1950's technology. Which makes for a noisy flight deck. The flight deck on the all 737's is the same size from the 100 series through the 900 series. It is a cramped, miserable, ergonomic, nightmare, which makes longer flights in them very unpleasant. You can put all the lip stick and extra range you want on a 737. It's still a noisy, uncomfortable, little sky pig to fly. There ain't much difference between it and any other single isle airplane if you are self loading cargo sitting in the back. PS It is 2271 NM from Calgary to Manzanillo. Which is several hundred miles shorter that out mainland to Hawaii routes that we routinely fly 737's on. So I agree with you that the 737 is now a slightly longer range noisy little sky pig. The 737 was better as a shorter haul airplane. | |||
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If you're a 5'8" foreign pilot, maybe it's not so bad. | |||
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Hi guys I have to disagree about the 737,I'm 6 ft 1 and flew the 737 for 28 years all over North America the Caribbean to the high Arctic including landing on the ice of the Arctic Ocean,and gravel Arctic runways,as well as mountain flying in some very tight valleys in BC.I never found it cramped at all but mind you it was not long before that I was flying the DC-3 now there is an airplane cockpit designed for a pilot 5 ft 2.I will agree it is not the quietest cockpit especially carrying ice or in a high speed decent.The 767 was a lot more spacious but that's like comparing apples and oranges.Just my opinion. Bill DRSS | |||
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Bill, what an interesting career. Feel free to share more if you feel the urge. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Bill, One man's prison is another man's castle. Spend one full day in any of the newer gen Boeings, eg 757,767,777 not to mention any Airbus product then come back and talk to me about how roomy the SLUFF is. PS as far as jets go I've flown the DC 8-61,62,63,71/737-200,300,500,/757-200,300/767-300,400/777-200/A-320,319. I've also flown Lockheed L-18's and yes from a 1938 technology standpoint the 737 ain't to shabby. From a modern jet prospective it's a sorry little POS. And Boeing should be ashamed of themselves for extending this little beasts life as long as they have. Just IMO coming at it from a different basis of experience. | |||
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Hi Surestrike Everything is relative I retired on the 767 and I agree it was very comfortable I loved it. I still think the 737 and 767 are apples and oranges. I guess I must be adaptable as I went from the 767 to the Beaver in the high Arctic when I retired,speaking of the Beaver in other three weeks and I'll be northbound for the Arctic in the Beaver again. If you are ever over Victoria Island (N70 W109)in your 777 give me a call on 123.45 C-GSUE OR C-GUCE It looks like you must have spent half your career on course,take care. Bill DRSS | |||
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Will do Bill.  IMO and many others the 737 line should have been replaced by an upgraded 757. It outperforms the 737 in every way including getting in and out shorter. And it's got a real flight deck unlike the SLUFF. Sow Wess Airlines made sure that didn't happen. | |||
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Does the 757 have a lower operating cost that the 737s? | |||
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Not when you compare the original 757's to the NG 737. Re engined and with some aerodynamic clean up I'd be willing to bet that it would be pretty close. The problem with the 737-900 which carries almost the same number of PAX as a 757-200. Is that it's so under powered it is forced to block off seats and leave PAX behind on hot days or on longer legs. The aircraft has been stretched to the point where it needs unbelievably high approach speeds so as not to get a tail strike on landing.It needs to step climb on a trans con due to it's low power. Starting off in the upper 20's and eventually climbing into the 30's as it gets lighter. The 900 series has major icing issues that further decrease it's a payload abilities due to go around performance limitations with ice. All in all from a performance standpoint the airplane reminds me of a small engine short winged DC-8. Can't climb, dies on a hot day and it is a ground loving pig. Boeing should not be so proud of bringing the dawn of the jet age to a modern airport near you. This is not your fathers 737, it has gotten way way worse. | |||
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Since I retired from the USAF in 2007, part of my civilian job includes managing my company's aviation program. Operating cost is a huge factor in our program and in evaluating the jet we bought a couple years ago. I imagine lower operating costs are what keeps the 737 fleet going. I didn't focus so much on things like costs when I was an active duty pilot. | |||
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Yes that is the only thing that keeps the 737 going. | |||
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Dangit, SS, I was all ready to buy a 737 and now ya got me talked out if it. | |||
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No worries I know where there is a great deal on some used 747-400's. | |||
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Personally the only Russian aircraft I'd like to own is an AN-2, but the licensed polish copy would do as well... There are things in the world that are too simple to seriously screw-up. If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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