I'd guess the accelerate-stop distance was a couple of thousand feet past the end of the runway. No wonder there are hulks of Russian aircraft scattered off the ends of runways all over the world...


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How did it get up?? I seriously thot they were done.

Cleared the fence by heaps

What airfield is that?

I'll revise that! If that's Canberra AP, then that was a real close call Would have left tyre prints on any vehicle tavelling along the road at the end of the runway.
Can anyone confirm Canberra? That looks like Department of Defence building (Campbell Park)in background as he starts his take-off roll.

Like the camera man said! If I hadnt seen it I wouldnt believe it!

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Originally posted by Rockdoc:
I'll revise that! If that's Canberra AP, then that was a real close call Would have left tyre prints on any vehicle tavelling along the road at the end of the runway.
Can anyone confirm Canberra? That looks like Department of Defence building (Campbell Park)in background as he starts his take-off roll.

I don't know how much you know about flying heavy jets, but that was well beyond a close call. The idea is to have enough runway to accelerate to takeoff decision speed, (V1), experience an engine faliure just prior to reaching it, and stop the airplane within the confines of the runway without using reverse thrust. Or, conversely, experience an engine failure at or just past V1 and successfully continue the takoff on three engines. What that IL-76 pilot did was terminally stupid and downright criminal. That's a prime example why I wouldn't climb onto a Russian crewed aircraft on a very big bet. Yeah, there are some great Russian pilots out there, but that guy isn't one of them. That takeoff redefines the term, "pucker factor."

That is the dumbest, most dangerous thing I've ever seen anyone do in a heavy.

Those planes are big. we have one that comes in regularily up here, luckily they dont use the whole runway on take off.

I haven't seen anything yet, but what's the bet it ends up here?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_repor...air200607054_001.pdf
Maybe a common occurrence?

Jetdrvr

Is that 'Pucker Factor" or "STUPID Factor"?

I was flying Ethiopia during the war in the late 80's. We were hauling food relief for LWF, CARITAS and the UN. We used to go into a lot of small airports around Ethiopia and almost without exception, we'd see the tail section of an AN-12, (the Russian Herc) laying off to the side past the end of the runway. Often, people were living in them.

The AN-12, prominently featured in the movie Lord of War, doesn't have reverse thrust. The Russians seem to have some sort of contempt for the concept of usable runway length. It appears so, anyway. Maybe they just load the damned things to the ceilings and go for it.

The IL-76 is a good airplane. Sort of the Russian answer to the C-141. The 141 is a lot better airplane, though. I've been aboard both several times.

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Originally posted by Rockdoc:
I haven't seen anything yet, but what's the bet it ends up here?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_repor...air200607054_001.pdf
Maybe a common occurrence?

Mor'n likely the same captain...

jetdvr, what's the answer? I don't intend to be a smart ass.

In the Nov-Dec 2007 (Aust) Flight Safety magazine there are three accidents in the Congo, one An 2, one Let-410 qnd one An12.
I would like to hear from someone who has "been there" as each month is depressingly similar!


Thank, Chris

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Originally posted by Rockdoc:
jetdvr, what's the answer? I don't intend to be a smart ass.

In the Nov-Dec 2007 (Aust) Flight Safety magazine there are three accidents in the Congo, one An 2, one Let-410 qnd one An12.
I would like to hear from someone who has "been there" as each month is depressingly similar!


Thank, Chris

The answer isn't clear. The takeoff depicted in the video is simple: don't fly overloaded. That's just good operating practice. I know you're not being a smartass.

I don't know what the situation is with the Russians now. I was working in Angola when the Berlin wall came down. We had a bunch of IL-76's and AN-12's flying off the ramp with us. Also in Ethiopia during the 87/88 famine relief. The Ethiopian crews were military. Lot of Mig 21's, Mig-23's and Hinds as well. The war was really cooking.

There are a lot of Russians contracting with Heavilift out of the UK and I've seen them operate safely.

I have a friend in Kinshasa who tells me that the Russinas have been banned from operating in several African countries because of crashes and unsafe operating practices.

I guess it's a matter of policy with different operators. Maintenance, or the lack of it may have something to do with the crashes. Some of those AN-24's and AN-32's I saw in the Sudan were pretty ratty. There wa quite a bit of gunrunning going on in the Sudan during the southern war, also, by Russians in AN 32's.

I think it comes down to a battle between greed and survival. JMHO. If a crew is getting paid by the ton and are the hairyeyeball types, then they may load it to the overhead and launch. The more conservative types will do a balanced-field calculation and take off safely.

I know if I were the airport manager in the video, or the supervising government safety agency like the FAA, I'd take a close look at the paperwork on every Russian who landed there to pick up a load, from now on.

I am not a pilot and I do not much care to fly. With that said, I spent a lot of time in Kazakhstan in 1998 to 2001 in Atyrau. At the end of the main runway were three Tupolov 134's piled up. They were also selling bi-planes for $1200 USD each that were supposed flyable. I am astounded the US and the west were concerned about Russian aircraft. Those folks could not make toilet paper when I was there, let alone a jet. The bravest person on this planet is a Russian astronaut - I would not get on top of rocket made by the Russians for all of rubles you could print...