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 picture from Wikipedia ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | ||
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I think we did this thread a few months back but I'll play...  | |||
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My first choice - Supermarine Spitfire. Runner-Up - F6F Hellcat | |||
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F-7 Tigercat RG | |||
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OK heres one for you. Very HI cool factor. Name that fighter.  | |||
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Mosquito? Peter Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Better pic:  for every hour in front of the computer you should have 3 hours outside | |||
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P-38 hands down. Sorry, no picture. The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but the experience. | |||
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Name that fighter. Westland Whirlwind ??? | |||
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P-47 Jug. | |||
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Westcoaster- Looks like a Dehaviland Hornet. RG | |||
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And the bad boy of the piston fighter world is probably the F-8 Bearcat. | |||
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I love the sound of an F8F. I guess some still are in the air race circuit? F8F doing its thing JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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F8F start-up ... | |||
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Mike...nails it! Mark nice pic there. My all time fave is the Hawker Sea Fury. I have an indelible Hawker Sea Fury memory etched deeply into my mind. When I was 15 yrs old (1967) in Canada's Centennial year there was a Victoria to London air race held. I stood at Clover point Victoria (finish line) when Ormand Haydon-Baillie came past at eye level prolly 50ft off the water and only a few hundred feet away.. he was WFO.. omigod the shivers just went thru me. Its just too hard to describe but I'm sure you all have shared an experience similar with an impressive aircraft. Link.. http://www.pprune.org/aviation...-haydon-baillie.html | |||
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WestCoaster, here is a pic I took from a slide, from an airshow somewhere in the midwest, 1980:  for every hour in front of the computer you should have 3 hours outside | |||
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Mark That is one fine example of a prop fighter for sure. Thanx for the look. IIRC didn't Sea Fury's get a couple of MIGs in Korea? | |||
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Imagine how this guy felt then!  Spitfire Low Pass | |||
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Westcoaster- I've always had a thing for the twin-engine single-seat fighters like the p-38 Lightning and F-7 Tigercat, but I know little about British work on this configuration. Think you could do a tech rundown and comparison of the Westland Whirlwind and DeHaviland Hornet? I'd sure like to know more about these ships. RG | |||
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Another very clean design is the original round-motor FW-190. I really liked the cowling on the first prototype. It didn't work, but I have a sneaking hunch that it could have been made to work if more time had been spent on it. Of course they were in a hurry to get the thing into production, so further experimentation was curtailed. The plane as produced is still a very nice looking AC. RG | |||
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The Westland Whirlwind was a failure. Probably the best two engine fighter of WWII was the Mosquito. The worst probably the Westland Whirlwind or the Me 110! The one that looked the best? Maybe the Northrop Black Widow? The best single engined was probably the Mustang and that still looks "modern" today. | |||
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Yeah, that p-61 Black Widdow is one mean looking airplane. I read somewhere that it had spoilers instead of ailerons, and that it had the fastest roll rate of any US aircraft in inventory in WW II. Don't know if that's right or not. RG | |||
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I just loved the look of the F4U Corsair, P51 Mustang and the Spitfire. | |||
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Hi Well here's some technical data for both AC. Actually my research says that the Whirlwind was a success in most respects. The factor that caused its problems was the same one that plagued many AC marks of the 2nd WW. Engine development issues, the Peregrines were not too good at 1st. The arrival of the Merlin put it to pasture. As a fighter it did well, as a fighter bomber it excelled. Its forte was down low where its very heavy punch supplied by 4x 20mm cannons was at the time unequaled. This plus they later added hardpoints for 2x 250 lb or 2x 500 lb bombs. The other issue was its limited range 300 miles. The range issue could have been fixed by simply adding drop tanks if they had decided to carry on with the type. The Hornet was a different AC altogether as it came much later (1945) and had development help from its predecessor the Mosquito. So it had an easier gestation. It was the fastest "operational" twin engine fighter of WWII. However it became a dead end as the need for plywood AC ended with the wars completion. Having said that if it had arrived a year earlier I think it would have made some real headlines/history as it was the pinnacle of twin engine fighter designs. Ah there it is timing is everything they say! Whirlwind Mk. IA Primary function Fighter Power plant Two Rolls-Royce Peregrine I Thrust 2x 885 HP 2x 660 kW Wingspan 45 ft 13.72 m Length 32.25 ft 9.83 m Wingarea 250 sq ft 23.22 sq m Weight empty 8,310 lb 3,768 kg max. 11,410 lb 5,175 kg Speed 360 mph 580 km/h Ceiling 30,315 ft 9,240 m Range max. 808 mi 1,300 km Armament 4x 20mm cannon; 453 kg bombs Crew One Date deployed 1940 DE HAVILLAND HORNET F.3: _____________________ _________________ _______________________ spec metric english _____________________ _________________ _______________________ wingspan 13.72 meters 45 feet wing area 33.54 sq meters 361 sq_feet length 11.18 meters 36 feet 8 inches height 4.32 meters 14 feet 2 inches empty weight 5,842 kilograms 12,880 pounds loaded weight 9,480 kilograms 20,900 pounds max speed at altitude 760 KPH 470 MPH / 410 KT service ceiling 10,670 meters 35,000 feet range with drop tanks 5,635 kilometers 3,500 MI / 3,045 NMI _____________________ _________________ _______________________ * 4x 20 mm Hispano Mk. V cannon (with 190 rounds per gun) in lower fuselage nose * 2x 1000 lb (454 kg) bombs under wing, outboard of engines * 8x "60 lb" (27 kg) RP-3 unguided rockets | |||
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Same picks for me, and I'll throw in the P 38. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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Thanks for the specs, westcoaster. Quite a difference. RG | |||
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One I always have liked the looks of is the Curtiss P-40. Pure classic. RG | |||
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Another extremely rare WWII fighter (one remains) ...   | |||
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The History Channel had a excellent program on the Mosquito tonite. They covered it thru the war and documented the famous raid at Amiens and Shell house. It was just an excellent job of covering the best twin engine fighter bomber of the war. As a little side bar just blocks from where I sit right now there used to be a Plywood plant that supplied a lot of the Spruce plywood used in the construction of the Mossie. Another interesting fact was that at the time the majority of the workers in the plant were females, many of whom stayed on after the war and worked thru to their retirements. I had a very lucky occurrence back about 1969 I was in a RCAF B-707 taxing at Nameo airbase just outside of Edmonton and I believe I saw the take off of the last flying example of a Mossie in Canada. I watched it run up and taxi onto the runway and then off she went like a batoutahell. IIRC it was painted a lite Blue. | |||
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The Dornier DO 335 "Pfeil" [Arrow] by some accounts was the very best twin of all in WWII but again politics entered the picture as 'well-conected' vs 'not so well connected' - same story as the FW190 vs the Bf109. Willi Messerschmidt was well connected so many Bf109's were built vs better A/C falling by the wayside. Delays in engine deliveries, design spec changes, etc. delayed production of this A/C which could have been in full scale production long before war's end. {from Wikipedia} "The first 10 Do 335 A-0s were delivered for testing in May. By late 1944, the Do 335 A-1 was on the production line. This was similar to the A-0 but with the uprated DB 603 E-1 engines and two underwing hard points for additional bombs, drop tanks or guns. Capable of a maximum speed of 474 mph (763 km/h) at 6,500 m (21,300 ft) with MW 50 boost, or 426 mph (686 km/h) without boost, and able to climb to 26,250 ft (8,000 m) in under 15 minutes, the Do 335A-1 could easily outrun any Allied fighters it encountered. Even with one engine out it could reach about 350 mph (563 km/h). Delivery commenced in January 1945. When the U.S. Army overran the Oberpfaffenhofen factory in late April 1945, only 11 Do 335 A-1 single seat fighter-bombers and two Do 335 A-12 conversion trainers had been completed. French ace Pierre Clostermann claims[1] the first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed, the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position." Maybe it was all for the better but politics aside, this is another A/C design that deserved better than it received. Lord, give me patience 'cuz if you give me strength I'll need bail money!! 'TrapperP' | |||
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When I was a kid my favorite airplane was the GeeBee Racer. The Polikarpov I-16 always reminds me of that design. It was Russia's frontline fighter well into 1943 and in spite of it's age, caused the Luftwaffe considerable headache.  "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I think this design looks pretty good.  | |||
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Check your link SR ...not showing up... | |||
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That Polikarpov would be a blast to fly but it would seem to be dicey to land with the front landing gear so far forward of the pilot appearing to make a "wheel" landing tricky and the high nose making a three point landing interesting. Anyway its a fascinating airplane. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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I like the F-7, not from a practical standpoint, but from an esthetic one. That wasp waist and those two big radials offset each other nicely. It's aeroerotic. | |||
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The write-ups say it was tricky to fly. Not real stable and trouble in the hands of a novice pilot. It was also supposedly tough as hell. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Neat thread, hard to know where to start & most of my favourites have been well picked over. Always liked the Spitfire MkXIV, in original high back style, maybe for the same reasons I like the P51B with the Malcolm hood. The prettiest prop fighter ever had to have been the de Havilland Hornet  & the best looking never to make it into production & one of aviations great lost chances would be the Martin Baker MB5  Steve | |||
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