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Had to happen sooner or later. One step closer to removing the man from the cockpit.
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Yes it was bound to happen. I hope it is used to strengthen pilot capabilities and provide an increased measure of safety. Pilots in today's fighters can get seriously over-tasked. Having a capable and reliable AI co-pilot can relieve the mission commanders of distractions and help them concentrate on mission strategy. I'm excited about the drone management possibilities too. Just think of a squadron of fighters led by one aircraft with a human pilot. The drone fighters could be re-configured older F-16's with the cockpit and pilot protective armor removed. Maybe strengthened to handle 12 + G's. They could outmaneuver anything flying of human hands. The flying "tic-tacs" are another matter! | |||
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With Boeing and Krakos testing Loyal Wingman UCAVs, the combat drone isn't too far away now that aerial combat AI has matured. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I'm not completely sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, and obviously the most important aspect, anything that increases our combat effectiveness is a step in the right direction, reducing risk to our personnel and equipment. On the other hand, as a former fighter pilot myself, I can't help but feel diminishment in the loss of the man to man contest of Ariel combat, often almost considered gentlemanly, although certainly a high stakes game with consequences of death or captivity very possible. That's the way Richthofen viewed it, and I think most of the guys I flew with held at least some semblance of respect for our opponents. | |||
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And just think how much money will be saved not having to support a human on board. Weight savings can go toward additional ordnance. A10 upgraded to support troops on the ground that actually hold the contested real estate. Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
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If you consider how much engineering, air frame design, weight and cost that goes into keeping a man in the cockpit, moving towards a mostly UCAV fighting force makes a lot of sense on many, many levels. With all of the latest in sensing technology and connectivity, a guy sitting 5,000 miles away has better situational awareness than the guy in an aircraft. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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And a few years ago, they claimed the Indian Air Force pilots topped USAF F22's. But that was in a highly restrictive environment. Everything I needed to know about UAV's I learned over Kandahar one night a few years ago. The local ATC controller asked if we had the "light civil" in sight. I responded yes we do. He replied that we might want to stay out of it's way, it had lost it's data link and was not responding as programmed. We watched it dive straight in from 13,000 feet... | |||
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Im not a pilot and never claimed to be but find it very interesting. Unless I read a different AI vs Pilot article, this wasn't necessarily a true test. During the sim, from I understand, the AI was given credit for kills anytime the nose of his aircraft passed the other pilot. Again, not taking into deflection or time on target. | |||
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Aerial combat might be viewed as a waste of good pilots. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Most fighter aircraft are limited by the G loading endured by the pilot, not the mechanical structure. The AI pilot doesn't suffer that same limitation. John in Oregon | |||
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Not to be overly critical of your comment but what you are speaking of is the maneuvering aspect we fighter pilots refer to as Basic Fighter Maneuvering or BFM. It is quite different from Air Combat Maneuvering or ACM. BFM is what most people think of as Dog Fighting and within that description, most don't understand the intricacies involved. The focus on actual air to air combat is most definitely NOT BFM. It is ACM. The ACM focus is on exploiting tactical advantages of employing specific formations of multiple aircraft in order to maximize radar search / targeting effectiveness in combination with performance capabilities of the onboard weapons systems and existing Rules of Engagement. In short, if, as a fighter pilot, you find yourself in the position of having to turn (engage in BFM) with the adversary (more likely adversaries [either a known or more likely, an unknown number of]), you are in serious trouble already. Much more important than G Load capabilities of the machine or man, is the ability to target an adversary with more acute angles off the aircraft's nose position and keep the weapon's guidance system focused on the target. The higher the angle off the nose you can launch and maintain targeting to impact, the further you extend your max engagement range while at the same time limiting your adversary's ability to effectively target you. If you, or your multi-ship formation, are not successful in eliminating the bogies prior to the merge, the best bet is to blow through, extend separation, and either pitch back for another run beyond visual range, or escape completely and regroup. That's a very brief introduction to ACM considerations and a long way around the block to say that while G load capabilities are important if you find yourself in a last ditch effort air to air engagement (BFM), you are in serious trouble. There are many, many, much more important aspects to the air combat ball game. All of this doesn't even scratch the surface of Rules of Engagement. In everything other than end of the world nuke war scenarios, Visual Identification (VID) will always be required. This requires a man in the machine. Electronic Identification (EID), which is what AI is capable of, doesn't satisfy typical ROE. Back to my mention of maximizing tactical advantages of specific formations, the VID ROE requirement is as much a part of that discussion as anything. A very good formation for this being the Battle Box with a flight of 4. G force capabilities of a manned vs non-manned aircraft? A small consideration really. | |||
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Wild ass Idea USA AI beat USA Pilot. Is every pilot around the world trained to do the same thing for every situation? | |||
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Read about John R Boyd, 40 sec Boyd. | |||
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