What did this guy hit?

http://www.snotr.com/video/2769

Looks to me like he was over gross by a few pounds, and ran out of room.

Trying to showoff for the camera, I'll bet.

"Horsed" it off and mushed, though he may have caught the fence or a pole.

Looks like there was more room left on the water lane to the pilots right.

And he was trying a curving takeoff run--takes more room.

He hit a major brainfart.

If he would kept to the right he woulda had a nice long waterway to take off. for some reason he was trying to take off short.

From my understanding he wasnt all that expierianced, just has quite a bit of money. oh and his wife was pissed about wrecking the beaver.

Sort of hard to tell, but based on the waves, it kind of looked like he had a tailwind.

What a complete and unnecessary waste of a great floatplane. I don't see any "accident" here, just inept flying. That airplane should be on the step in 4 or 5 seconds and off the water flying in 8 to 12 seconds. He had over 40 seconds water run after full power. It looks to me from the hanging windsock seen at about 40 seconds that there was no significant wind. The direction of takeoff was not the problem although he would have had more time if he had turned straight south (to his right). Denisity altitude even on a very hot day should be favorable since they were at sea level.

This wreck occurred because of very poor pilot technique. He never got on the step, just pulled the yoke in his belly and let her rip. That might work in an overpowered 180 hp cub, but never in a Beaver with even half tanks of fuel. He never reached a speed that would provide lift to fly. I suspect at that nose up attitude he could have had 3 miles of run and still been plowing. He was able to power it off while in ground effect, but then settled when he climbed above that.

I would speculate that he was a guy with some success in another area who would not listen or take the time to learn basic floatplane flying technique. The stereotype is the older executive or professional. What a shame. I hope no one was hurt.

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He was able to power it off while in ground effect, but then settled when he climbed above that.

That probably explains what he hit - if he settled into that fence...

How does that saying go . . .

Do NOT go flying with a doctor or a lawyer.

They can afford planes they can't fly, do not have the time to stay competent (competent, NOT current), and have too big of an ego to admit it!


I seem to remember that I read someplace that the BEAVER pilot was a doc that decided that did not to get the dual time that was recommended. Also seem to remember that no one on board had any injuries of consequence. Probably never be able to approach a chain link fence again with out flinching.

I bet everyone here that practices either profession and know "pilots" in the same profession know at least one that maybe should stick to dual.

I hope all in the plane were OK.

I think I have stayed at that Hotel in the background a few times.

Cannot remember the name, [Royal Alaskan???] I think it has changed since I was there. They had 2 good bear mounts, a brown and a polar.

The food at the resturant and bar was good.

There was a lot of plane activity on the lake behind it.

LouisB

I can remember a plane called the "Doctor Killer".

It was the Beachcraft Bonanza with the V tail.

In its day it was expensive, and a lot of Doctors bought them.

That plane had a terrible safety record.

The same model with the standard tail had an excellent safety record, IIRC.

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Originally posted by Palmer:
What did this guy hit?

http://www.snotr.com/video/2769

looks like he hit the camera man.............

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I hope all in the plane were OK.

I think I have stayed at that Hotel in the background a few times.

Cannot remember the name, [Royal Alaskan???] I think it has changed since I was there. They had 2 good bear mounts, a brown and a polar.

The food at the resturant and bar was good.

There was a lot of plane activity on the lake behind it.

The Regal if memory serves me correct. It is now called the Millennium.

I hope everybody was OK, but what a monumental waste of a great aircraft.

Actually the V tail Bonanza was fondly known as the "Fork tailed doctor killer" as sort of a take off on the WWII P 38 Lightning known as the "Fork tailed devil". It's a great aircraft but considerably "Slicker" than it's contemporaries and needs to be flown from a mental position some distance / time ahead of where you are presently.

Mike you are correct.

N E 450 No2

Now you have me thinking about an Alaskan Amber and some fried halibut.

Ouch

Read an article, a while back, that claimed every Beaver still flying, had been crashed and re-built at least once.
Grizz

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
Read an article, a while back, that claimed every Beaver still flying, had been crashed and re-built at least once.
Grizz

Most likely.
4 of the 5 I have flown were rebuilt
and the 5th was wrecked and rebuilt
after I delivered it to Alaska.

Somebody's got some esplainin to dooo!!

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
N E 450 No2

Now you have me thinking about an Alaskan Amber and some fried halibut.

Their halibut was good.

What I really liked was their mussels, esecially on the Sunday Brunch.

Curving takeoff, but frankly the engine sounds like it was never AT full power.

watch the video again and LISTEN.



AD

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Actually the V-tail Bonanza was fondly known as the "Fork tailed doctor killer" as sort of a take off on the WWII P 38 Lightning known as the "Fork tailed devil". It's a great aircraft but considerably "Slicker" than it's contemporaries and needs to be flown from a mental position some distance / time ahead of where you are presently.

Didn't the manufacturer do some flight testing and discover that this airplane had tendencies to do things that planes with horizontal stabs did not do? What was the configuration of the empennage on the JFK, Jr. plane?

Tony, This is why Im not bringing "da plane" to DRSS!! I can just hear the last minute conversations before impact!! "im shooting first!, NOOOOO! Im shooting first, give me the damn gun!!!!!!! CRASH!"

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Originally posted by Mississippian:
Tony, This is why Im not bringing "da plane" to DRSS!! I can just hear the last minute conversations before impact!! "im shooting first!, NOOOOO! Im shooting first, give me the damn gun!!!!!!! CRASH!"

No need to argue, its your plane, you can either fly first, and I'll shoot or you can shoot first while I fly.

You might better do the take off and the landing no matter who shoots first.

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Didn't the manufacturer do some flight testing and discover that this airplane had tendencies to do things that planes with horizontal stabs did not do?

The V tailed Bonanza was suspected to have the leading edge of its "ruddervator" cantilievered too far ahead of the spar. There were a series of AD's to fix it. Meanwhile Beech claimed there was nothing wrong with the design and blamed it upon people flying it long distances thus exposing it to more encounters with severe weather.



I bought this V35B new in 1979. It had a full load of Collins Microline and even had a telephone. I flew it in all kinds of weather for 5 years and only experienced two problems.

Fortunately, I was not a doctor!

I ran it out of gas while IFR on my first flight and ended up landing in a bean field - wheels up.

Years later while on an IFR approach into Bloomington, Illinois I flew through a cell that about 2 minutes later produced a tornado. I dislocated my shoulder during that approach.

All in all, I had many days of pleasant flying in a great aircraft.

almer

Correct me if I am wrong, but I always heard that the Twin tail had one of the worst accident records of small planes, and the identical Beech with the regular tail had one of the best safety records.

At least that is what I was told by a bunch of Airline Pilots that I used to shoot with that also flew their own small planes.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
almer

Correct me if I am wrong, but I always heard that the Twin tail had one of the worst accident records of small planes, and the identical Beech with the regular tail had one of the best safety records.

At least that is what I was told by a bunch of Airline Pilots that I used to shoot with that also flew their own small planes.

#'s distorted due to the Higher Production #s,

as well as age of the V-tail fleet vs straight tail, (lack of maint, etc)

N E 450 No2:

I dont remember the exact number - but have read that the V tail version had an accident rate 20 to 25 times that of the conventional tail version of the same airplane - the model 33.

60 Minutes had a big segment on their problems in the early 80's and they focused on the yaw aspect. I later read that some of the problem came from the way the factory hung the tailfeathers for the paint to dry - lots of stories around - most pilots learn to deal with the yaw but you have to keep your feet on the pedals.

But as DuggaBoye said, there were a lot of these planes sent out there. They are still in production (conventional tail) and have been since in the 1940's.

Many hours in the V,
not as bad a "Dutch Roll" as the Rockwell 112/114, but always a present risk.

Several "fixes have been employed : U-clamps, spar stiffeners and entire stub- spars.

Biggest issue--pilot error,(low time in type , mostly )
not controlling the aircraft, and that will break many if not any AC;
some "V" year models in particular were "weaker " than others. ( The fixes seem to work)

Re: Beaver Crash
Out of runway, airspeed and ideas all at the same time ususally results in the same ending...a crash!

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I hope all in the plane were OK.

I think I have stayed at that Hotel in the background a few times.

Cannot remember the name, [Royal Alaskan???] I think it has changed since I was there. They had 2 good bear mounts, a brown and a polar.

The food at the resturant and bar was good.

There was a lot of plane activity on the lake behind it.

That was the Regal Alaskan. Used to do layovers there. Very nice hotel. I remember those bear mounts in the lobby and they had an interesting gun case, to. Had a 9.3x62 in it.

And the feed they put on at Christmas was something else.

An Alaskan can correct me, but isn't that Lake Spinard?

I too would like to know the name of the lake.

I think the Regal Alaskan or Royal Alaskan hotel is now called the Millennium or the Regal Millenium. I have stayed there three times and it is on Spenard st. or ave.

I have heard the lake called lake Hood but the drive in front of the lake is Lake Spendard.

There is also a Tournegan name attached to one end of the lake.

Those Alaskans keep switching the names around just to confuse us from the "lower" 48.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I hope all in the plane were OK.

I think I have stayed at that Hotel in the background a few times.

Cannot remember the name, [Royal Alaskan???] I think it has changed since I was there. They had 2 good bear mounts, a brown and a polar.

The food at the resturant and bar was good.

"I think I have stayed at that Hotel in the background a few times"
Was called the "Regal Alaskan" back when - now known as the "Millennium Alaskan-Anchorage"
- the bar/lounge then was called the "Flying Machine." I sat tehre one night and listened to two bush pilots tell tall tales for a couple of hours and had real problems getting over sore ribs from laughing at some of their stories. And one of them flew Bo Svenson [the actor] out the next morning in a Cessna "Skyvan" to go on a sheep hunt. First and I think only one I ever saw on floats.
I was there just last week - they rotate a very nice gun collection through the lobby of the hotel with all the various mounts there. Quite impressive.
Just across and down the road a bit from Gwenny's Old Alaskan Restruant - be sure and try it if you ever fly into ANC.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
Read an article, a while back, that claimed every Beaver still flying, had been crashed and re-built at least once.
Grizz

I heard someone say that recently about not only Otters and Twin Otters (and bush planes in general)that there are those that have been crashed and those that will be.

then again he said the same exact thing about bush pilots too...

AD

Nothing wrong with the V tail Bonanza other than a lot of people early on bought them, not an airplane for a low time pilot with a fresh Private Pilot Certificate, These days its Cirrus same thing, new pilot and a fast airplane and a whole bunch of knobs and buttons to push. My Doctor flies a V tail Bonanza, has been for the last 25 or so years. Great Airplane, I Like the A-36 myself. Now the Alaskan Regal, gee's they have a bar in that place with more single malt scotch, than you would think. Something in the range of 30 kinds. Very nice place to stay. To bad about the Beaver, well you live and learn, and in time you either make it or you scare your self so bad you stop flying or you kill yourself. Aviation has a natural selection process, go fly with some one who has been doing it for say 25 to 40 years and never dinged an aircraft, watch and learn. You will notice things.

Lake hood.....I can't remember how many floatplanes are parked around it but undoubtedly exceeds most states number of floatplanes.

I stay all the time at the millenium during the off season(any time other than the summer!!!) prices are between 1/2 and 1/3 of what they are in the summer.

-phil

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPD...id=ANC09CA050&rpt=fa

Wind 020 at a "brisk" 3kts!
Well I've got a pretty good idea as to what happened.
Private pilot with 512 hours TT, 21 hours in type.
Yet another example of to much money not enough experience and a serious lack of brains.
I watch this and I am yelling to myself push the f'ing nose over, get on the step and stomp on the F'ing right rudder.

It was simply to much airplane for this guy to handle. $400,000 + grand down the drain.