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http://kplr11.com/2016/08/02/f...eady-air-force-says/ Maybe but is the carrier ready ? | ||
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That's just the A model. The marines B model is operational too, but not deploy able for another year. And the carrier capable C model isn't on the docket until 2018. That's assuming the get all the software glitches worked out. The built in logistics system is causing some headaches. Saying the F-35 is ready to fight is like saying a rifle with a mounted scope is ready to hunt. Technically true, but not at all what it needs to be. They've fired an internal amraam, but not to a hit (the missile self destructed as part of its test plan, it was a BVR shot). And the sidewinder they just shot was off a wing rail. Not the same as internal carriage. Still a LOT of testing on those birds. If I am working, hunting season is too far away to imagine. If I am getting things ready for hunting season, opening day is perilously close. | |||
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Ready to fight - That's like saying your 25 year restomod car project is finished after just firing off it's new Coyote engine implant but you still have no transmission, suspension, fuel tank, interior or body panels and race day is tomorrow. Let's hope we don't have to rely on the F-35 for an air war with anything more advanced than a Cessna 182 for the next decade or so. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I just hope one doesn't get caught out in the open. It seems that MANY Gen IV fighters could take it out in an air-to-air engagement...... | |||
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Out in the open? Versus hiding in the bushes? No hostile Gen IV equipment will get within range of a functioning Gen V+ fighter, not even by accident. That's the basis of the design, no?  | |||
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Mark I eyeballs trump stealth every time. I just hope our generals are intelligent enough not to rely on the F-35 hype and consider it's not really ready to fight. The dangerous part is the F-35 is eating up resources for aircraft that actually do work in a fight. Neato airshow demonstrator, but not a front line fighter/attack aircraft in present form. Maybe in another decade and a few more billion in development... ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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You wanna bet your life in a Su-27 1V1? You think LMT hasn't worn out a few Su's and Mig's developing the F35? Riiiiiiight ... | |||
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You know that the F-35 doesn't have an operational gun, right and that the radar has a tendency to stop working, right, plus it cannot turn, right, and has an ejection seat that might kill you if you needed it, right (and most likely you would at this point in time)??? So if it cannot properly track targets for missile shots, and cannot use a gun in close and cannot dogfight what good is it at the moment? Maybe it can drop bombs really well... Umm nopers on that one too still waiting for software improvements. So yea, if I was a shit hot fighter jock and had my choice, I would be replacing all the Russian placards in the Su-27...  ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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do not think that is all true | |||
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Actually all that has been published and that's just the stuff we know about... Here is the short list:
So it's 8 years late. It's $263 billion over budget - but probably twice that amount. Doesn't like warm gas. Is vulnerable to lightning. Doesn't dogfight well - energy bleed is atrocious. Still doesn't have an operational gun - which is OK since it doesn't dogfight well. The ejection seat will probably kill you. There is no simulator training. The computerized maintenance management system orders the wrong parts. And the radar is glitchy and pretty much inoperable - maybe it can make popcorn but probably would have to turn it on and off a lot. Sounds like a joy to fly. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Is that from the official marketing piece? The Brits woulda never bought into a reliable program. Pentagon had to do some PR to make em feel like they were gonna have a true UK model. Don't worry Opie, no one's gonna make ya fly it. | |||
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The point is, I simply hope they don't make anyone else have to fly it in combat in it's current state of raw development. The only reason why it is being push into "active service" is because no one on Capital Hill or at the Pentagon wants to admit just how F'ed up it is and how grossly over budget and behind schedule it is. The F-35 makes the Bradley Fighting Vehicle look like the posterchild of efficient design, production, and service. The only reason any other country is timidly agreeing to purchase one or two copies is because they had their arms twisted so far behind their back they now have two right arms. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Or they were "subsidized" by the US. F22 was trash talked, still is by many, and it's now equipment most agree we need more of. F35 will be same at some point. IIWK, I'd twist Congress pinky finger back til they emergency funded parts, updates, whatever is needed to bring current inventory fully up to speed. IE - I wouldn't sign a single bill or take a single meeting with any of em til the Pentagon had the dough and the parts were on the way. Hopefully, a President Trump would do same. | |||
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The intelligent bet would have been to continue to upgrade our current inventory and then move to UCAV. The F-35 is going to slow the migration to UCAV. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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In hindsight, maybe. UCAV still has limitations and it was but a dream when the F35 program was started. Takes decades for these slugs in the defense biz to design and build anything. | |||
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It is OFFENSIVE to me that in the 21st Century, and AFTER building the Raptor; that the F-35 is underpowered and a poor dogfighter. It is incomprehensible that they could not have made the F-35 out turn a F-16 while having all its stealth capability. I am not bothered by the bugs; those WILL be sorted out. It is the basic underperformance of the airplane that underwhelms me. The Raptor also had growing pains, but even with that it could turn with anything and supercruise on it's way to the fight. Most likely an F-22 will kill you BVR without you knowing where it is, but on the off chance you do catch one out in the open, odds are that it will still kill you. The F-35 should have been that good too....... | |||
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The F16 is, conceptually, a reworked F104. The 50's are over man. It's all about the battle of flying I-Phones now. I could build something in my garage that would pull 20g's and cruise at 3000 kts, still won't beat a C130 with the latest electronics. | |||
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And that's what the politicians are worried about. That the most expensive weapons system in history cannot perform its basic design functions and taxpayer are about to figure all this out. As you said, this is not a growing pains problem, this is a basic design issue. This will be the Pentagon's Hubble moment and there is no magical pair of corrective lenses that will fix this. The F-35 was about spreading the wealth and not so much about building the best or even the correct aircraft. Someone with some common business sense better win the CIC job in November... ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I saw B and A models flying around where I work. I have yet to see a C. The ladder is weird. | |||
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You sound like an expert. Give us some highlights of your detailed analysis, please.  | |||
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