For hunting trips, especially in hillier terrain, I need ( read: "want" )a new Rifle.

It should be lightweight, flat shooting, non Military caliber, but useful up to and including Red Stag ( Mountainous Variety = lighter ).

I think a Single Shot rifle with full 65 cm ( 24" ) barrel, perhaps in some "Ultra Light" Variation should be the ticket!

But what Caliber?

Under 6.5 mm is not legal everwhere. 6.5 x 55 has been used for Moose ... 6.5 x 57 ( R ) is slightly weak at 200 m. 7 mm Rem will be too much recoil in a light gun, .30 Blaser won´t have flat enough trajectory!

So I was thinking about the 6.5 x 65 R. ( The 7 x 65 R uses heavier bullets, but doesn´t shoot as flat ). Made by Blaser with CDP Bullet, by RWS, handloads would use Partitions or Bonded Bullets ...

Any experiences with that caliber?

Thanks for every input, H

Sounds like a job description for a 270win. Can this round be chambered in a Kiplauf?

Hi Arminius - sorry about your account - tho back to 6,5x65R - a good friend of mine who is a PH had a minor accident with a saw - he has cut off his forefinger (on the first knuckle) on his right hand...since then he has to fire all his guns with a middle finger but on every shot that he made with his 9,3x62 bolt rifle knock him with bolt handle directly on the remains of his forefinger that imediately starts to bleed...so he bought himself a Blaser K95 in 6,5x65R and is making all his hunts with it since (except when tracking wounded game or guiding on bear hunts)...so far he has shot some 50 reds and app. 20 boars on culls and is quite satisfied with caliber (he shoots factory CDP rounds)...

Arminius,
AR member Montero used 6,5X65R for mountain hunting. I suggest you contact him by pm. I think he currently uses a 6,5X57R for roe, gams and mufflon.

A friend of mine uses a merkel K2 kiplauf (tilting block action) in 7X65R with 26 inch barrel (65cm) and 140 grain nosler partition loaded to 910 m/s. A 120 grain ballistic tip or barnes TSX for smaller animals to 945 m/s within sane pressure limits.

Difference in trajectories between 7X65R and 6,5X65R to 300 meters will not be that much. Selection of factory loads are far greater in 7X65R Brenneke than 6,5X65R. To my knowledge only RUAG (CDP bullets) and RWS offers ammo in 6,5X65R.

Cheers
Johan

I use the 6,5x65R in a Blaser K77 UL-AW, I have shot a lot of roes, red deers and boars with it. Using the 120grs Nosler BT, I never saw such a immediatly killer than this cartridge (but you are a little more unhappy after butching the game).
But if you compare the 6,5x65R with the 7x65R, you see, that the 7mm shots perhaps - but only perhaps - not so flat like the 6,5 , but the 7mm is much more flexible than the 6,5.
In a super light gun, the recoil of the 6,5 is more manageable.
If you are a handloader, you have a lot of problems with the 6,5x65R, there are some very good informations about the handloading-problems of this cartridge in the german "Wild u. Hund"-Forum!

Arminius,

Ok, time to crunch some numbers
With RUAG factory loads 6,5X65R will have approximately 3,5 centimetres flatter trajectory and less energy at 300meters than 7X65R.

I extracted these data from RUAG's material.


6.5x57 R 8.2 g 127 gr V0 845 m/s
GEE 176 m
50 m + 1.4
100 m + 4.0
150 m + 2.5
200 m – 3.5
250 m – 14.7
300 m – 31.3

6.5x65 R 8.2 g 127 gr V0 890 m/s
GEE 185 m
50 m + 1.2
100 m + 3.9
150 m + 3.0
200 m – 1.9
250 m – 11.4
300 m – 25.9

270 Win. 8.4 g 130 gr V0 950 m/s
GEE 191 m
50 m + 1.0
100 m + 3.8
150 m + 3.3
200 m – 1.1
250 m – 9.8
300 m – 23.7

7x65 R 10.0 g 154 gr V0 860 m/s
GEE 176 m
50 m + 1.2
100 m + 3.9
150 m + 2.5
200 m – 3.4
250 m – 13.9
300 m – 29.4

7mm Rem.Mag 10.0 g 154 gr V0 960 m/s
GEE 195m
50 m + 0.8
100 m + 3.8
150 m + 3.4
200 m – 0.6
250 m – 8.3
300 m – 20.5

Cheers
/JOHAN

Thanks to all!

I HAVE to read about the handloading problems, of course I wanted to handload!

Mmh, if only the .270 would have a rim!!!

How about the .270 WSM???

Regards, H

Arminius, looks like a 270win should be possible:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976578151.htm

http://www.blaser.de/Calibers_Standard-Imperial.129.0.html?&L=1

Looks like both Merkel and Blaser would do these.

Yes of of course, I know the .270 is possible - but it´s a RIMLESS round!!

Now that´s just DISGUSTING!

A break-open-top gun and a rimless round!

How distasteful!

ANYBODY and his brother owns a .270 ( and .30-06 and 7 x 64 and 7 x65R ... )

How about a combo: two barrels: 8 x 68 S AND 6.5x 65 R???

;-))

H

The 8x68S is perhaps possible, but where is the rim?
I use a K77 - the forrunner of the K95 - in 6,5x65R and a other barrel in 8x75RS. That is for my purpose a good, nearly perfect combination.
But in such a light rifle like the Blaser single shot te 8x75 RS or the 8x68S are not very comfortable to shoot!

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Originally posted by Arminius:

How about a combo: two barrels: 8 x 68 S AND 6.5x 65 R???

;-))

H

...sounds like .30R Blaser in one

Arminius, sorry to have bothered you.

You are not Austrian by any chance?

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Originally posted by Monastery-Forester:
The 8x68S is perhaps possible, but where is the rim?

Oh, Sh..! I knew somebody would notice ...

Of course, I thought about the 8 x 75RS, too!

I have a Blaser K 95 in 308. The rimless case has worked fine do far.
I know it is not a tradidional rimmed cartridge, but here in the US it is near impossible to find the proper rimmed ammo for a single shot breakopen.

To correct Johan, Montero sold his 6.5x65R barrel about 4 years ago and has shot in the mountains solely with his 6.5x57R since then. He finds the x57R a better balanced round I think.

He and I both shot chamois and mouflon with our K95 6.5x57Rs in 2004 which was a hunting trip to remember.

The 6.5x57R is no slouch. With MRP one is convincingly north of 2,800fps with 140gr bullets which can come in the nosler partition variety. With 100gr bullets my own 26" K95 rivals a 25-06 at 3,300fps - The 6.5x57R in a strong action such as the K95 is extremely capable.

For me the issue is not so much calibre as platform.. I love my K95 but I find that it's light weight is a hinderance in the field. My shots at Chamois and Mouflon were at 250 and 200yards respectively. Despite not being out of breath I could not stop my heart beat from affecting the sight picture unduly. Both shots turned out well but took a LOT longer and much more skill than with a standard rifle.

I have now built a 26" barreled Sako AII classic stocked sporter which I will use on my next chamois hunt.It is a pound heavier can use a bipod and is in a different league for shooting ease. Were I to be hunting red stag in the mountains I would build the same rifle in 7mm08.

I just ordered a custom K 95 in Germany for import into the USA after months of research.

My specs: barrel #1 6,5x65 R without open sights and Swaro 6-18x50P (tds 4 reticle) on saddlemount barrel #2 8,5x63 R with open sights and 1,5-6x42 (#4 reticle)on saddlemount
staight comb stock (Us-version)
Gunstockmagazine for 4 rounds.
For handloaders: the action is good for 4400 bar based on other rounds i.e. 8x68. Plug some #'s into quickload.
Bullets of choice will be Barnes TSX. Great results in my 7x57 R and 300 mag.
The 6,5 ist the perfect moutain rifle with 120 gr bullets, and the 8,5 covers anything a 338 mag does.
Godd hunting!

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barrel #2 8,5x63 R with open sights and 1,5-6x42 (#4 reticle)on saddlemount

What's an 8,5x63R? Not familiar with that one at all.

- stu

Its a improwed 338-06 ,its not so far away from the 338 Win Mag. You can get in rimmed and rimless edition. RWS has loads and datas for it.

I think the 6.5x65R or 7X65R would be about Ideal in say a Blaser or Krieghof single shot for Alpine or hilly use for game Like Red Deer and Chamois.
A friend of mine uses a BLASER single shot in 7x57R and I use 6.5x57 and 7x64 in a Blaser Attache.
Both rifles are great but the single shot is so light and still well balanced.
I use RWS factory ammunition for the 6.5x57 with good results.
ozhunter

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
I think the 6.5x65R or 7X65R would be about Ideal in say a Blaser or Krieghof single shot for Alpine or hilly use for game Like Red Deer and Chamois.
A friend of mine uses a BLASER single shot in 7x57R and I use 6.5x57 and 7x64 in a Blaser Attache.
Both rifles are great but the single shot is so light and still well balanced.
I use RWS factory ammunition for the 6.5x57 with good results.
ozhunter

The 6,5x65R is the perfect mountainrifle caliber.
The Blaser CDP Ammo works great even on boars!

The problem with reloading ist that the chamber of the blaser k77 and k95 is extremly smooth.
Before the calibration you must ream the neck of the brass inside. (Neckreamer from foster for example).
That is the only problem.

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Originally posted by Safarischorsch:

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
I think the 6.5x65R or 7X65R would be about Ideal in say a Blaser or Krieghof single shot for Alpine or hilly use for game Like Red Deer and Chamois.
A friend of mine uses a BLASER single shot in 7x57R and I use 6.5x57 and 7x64 in a Blaser Attache.

Both rifles are great but the single shot is so light and still well balanced.
I use RWS factory ammunition for the 6.5x57 with good results.
ozhunter

The 6,5x65R is the perfect mountainrifle caliber.
The Blaser CDP Ammo works great even on boars!

The problem with reloading ist that the chamber of the blaser k77 and k95 is extremly smooth.
Before the calibration you must ream the neck of the brass inside. (Neckreamer from foster for example).
That is the only problem.

I always ask myself why one should use such "strange" caliber with only two factory loads available or, as a reloader, why one should pay for troubles....

Beside all this don't overlook the fact, that the brass will only be available from one company in a quality one could discuss about....

Sure, it is a rimmed cartridge, and oldfashioned people think, that only a rimmed cartdridge could proberly be shot in a single shot rifle.... If it would be my decision, I would go for a 270 Win. without a rim. Easy to reload, tons of brass for peanuts, plenty different bullets for every task and time proven over many decades..... just my 2 cents....