If I was to import a rifle from the States, Would I need to have if proofed even if it was of European origin?

many thanks

Griff

Hi Griff

Yes you are meant to but i have brought rifles from the US before and haven't bothered to get them proofed and sold them on in the UK also.

Just to answer your question more specifically - if it hasn't got a british proof mark it is meant to have one wherever it has come from originally.

Griff.

More specifically still:
Proof may be defined as the compulsory testing of every new firearm before sale. The purpose of the testing is to ensure that the purchaser and/or user of any shot gun, sporting rifle, pistol or any other weapon which uses a propellant cartridge, can do so with the clear knowledge that his/her firearm is safe to use with the defined "normal" load.

The word "compulsory" is used and this compulsion (in the UK) is provided by an Act of Parliament... In 1637 the Gunmakers of the City of London, usually known as the "Gunmakers Company of London", was granted a Royal Charter to protect the public against unsafe weapons being made and sold, the Company secured Ordinances in 1690 which enabled it to enforce "Proof" among its members in the London area. The other main manufacturing region was the area was around Birmingham and in 1813, at it's own expense, the Birmingham Gun Trade introduced a Parliamentary Bill setting up a Proof House to be operated by the "Guardians of the Birmingham Proof House". Therefore, since 1813 at least, it has been a punishable offence both to sell or offer for sale (including auction) any unproved weapon in the United Kingdom. It is also an offence to export such a weapon or to pawn one. Penalties for such offences are imposed on a per barrel basis. Forging or altering a proof mark is considered a greater offence and carries heavier penalties.

The Firearms Act of 1868 (Section 122(4)) makes it an offence to import any small arm into the United Kingdom, unless it carries foreign proof marks that are accepted under reciprocal agreement, unless their arrival is notified to the Proof Master at London and Birmingham within seven days and/or they are submitted for Proof within 28 days. This ruling apparently does not apply to anyone who imports an unproved arm for his/her own personal use. While it remains his/her personal property it can be used unproofed. Whilst it may be legal to use such a weapon it would be foolhardy to use this loophole to avoid proof. For you own peace of mind... submit the weapon for British proof.

other rules

Reciprocal arrangements have been made by various countries:-

* Austria Austrian proof marks were accepted in the UK pre WW II, but only marks post January 1956, are now valid.

* Belgium... The specifically recognised marks of the Proof House at Liege only.

* Czechoslovakia... Marks of the Czech Proof Authorities have been recognised in Great Britain since 14th October 1963.

* France... Proof was optional in France prior to July 1960. Only specific, agreed, marks applied after that date are valid in the UK.

* Federal Republic of Germany... new marks from September 1955 are acceptable, but marks prior to that date are not now accepted.

* Italy... The current marks are accepted.

* Ireland... Irish proof is acceptable after 9th June 1969.

* Spain... Spanish proof is accepted.

*** The products of all other countries, including the United States of America, must be submitted for proof within 28 days of importation. ***

The marks of these foreign countries are only valid if the marks are the current version. Proof Marks on a foreign weapon should be compared with the illustrations in the "Notes on the Proof of Shot Guns and Other Small Arms" if you wish to be certain that a particular weapon is still "in proof".

Submission for Proof or Re-Proof... Anyone may send a weapon for proof at a Proof House, but this is not a good idea. Before the gun can be subjected to proof the action must be in good order and tight on the face and, if applicable, the head space must be correct because the proof process involves subjecting the gun to a greater pressure than that produced by the normal load. The barrels must be "struck up" with the bores smooth, pitting removed, bulges knocked down and dents raised. Undoubtedly the best procedure is to have a gunmaker carry out the preliminary work and then when he/she is convinced it is in adequate condition, for them to submit the weapon to the Proof House on behalf of the owner.

The Proof Master has the right to refuse any firearm for proof which cannot be viewed adequately to reveal defects or be safely loaded and fired with a Proof Load.

There are four classes of Small Arms Proof:-

First Class... Smooth bore breech loading guns of 4 bore or smaller.

Second Class... Rifled breech loading weapons discharging shot or bullet.

Third Class... Pistols with barrel length less than 14 inches, but otherwise as Second Class.

Fourth Class... All other firearms and all other devices that use black powder or other propellant, as well as any items declared to be "arms" by the Proof Master or by the person requesting proof.


Rgds Ian

IanF very thorough and interesting.

Griff what rifle do you have in mind - make calibre etc

Griff,

A bit late now after reading Ian's comprehensive reply, but I think as long as the rifle originated in a European country which has a reciprocal Proof agreement with the UK (and is so proof marked) you should not need to get it reproof unless any additonal work as been done to it ie re barreled or a moderator fitted.....

Regards,

Pete

Hi all,
I spied on gumsamerica a take down rifle,which I foolishly thought was a Sig-Sauer, It turned out to be a HS precision built probably on a Remington action... So that put paid to that. My reasoning is that we always seem to get the sh*tty end of the stick in this country when it comes to prices..
A recent purchase of a scope from bear-basin outfitters brought it home, RETAIL price from them was $500 by the time it reached me with all taxes paid it came to £500 which was still £300 cheaper than the importer quoted me!!!
So who is making all the money if I can buy RETAIL and still Save 60%...
Brownells posted me a set of rings and bases which I ordered on a Monday and they arrived on Wednesday morning by UPS and even after I paid the import duty it was still £40 cheaper than the Sportsman..

So now you can see why I begrudge paying through the nose...

regards

griff

griff,

I have a friend in Somerset who is an RFD and who sells rifles and shotguns in the US regularly at what WE think are bargain prices. He also imports a lot of guns into the UK from different parts of the world. I guess it is whom you talk to that makes the difference.

Good hunting!

Jon2,
thought of the 6.5x284 or the STW.
regards
griff