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Need some help on what to re barrel a 16 guage drilling, where the rifle barrel was cut down and pluged. My long term desire is to have it rebarreled and back to its former glory. However, I believe it was formerly in a 7mm rimmed caliber. What (popular) 7mm rimmed caliber ammunition is easily available that can kill a variety of game including wild boar effectively? From the previous post I wonder if 7x65R would be suitable?
 
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I would have a gunmaker check the rifle barrel proof marks on your rifle, he may be able to tell what caliber it was originally.
Either a 7x65R or a 7x57R would be an excellent caliber for a drilling.
My wife hunts [once in a great while I get to borrow it [Big Grin] ] with a 12x12x30-06 drilling.
 
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Need some help on what to re barrel a 16 guage drilling, where the rifle barrel was cut down and plugged.

Who would commit such a crime?
 
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Both 7x57R and x65R are good and often used.
If he is very old, I would go to 7x57R. It is not so hard and will not cause any problem.

How old is the drilling? What proof marks are on the shotgun barrels?
If it is a very old on, then he might have 7x72R, but for rebarreling I would not use. No ammo available or only for a huge price from companies which make it for such oldtimers. And also I do not know whether chamber reamers to cut this cartridge are available. For enough money you get everything.

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It can be done it the camber part of the barrel still is in place, but it will not be cheap.

Hans Englund in Sweden broaches and re barrels drillings. A friend of mine found a very nice Sempter Kreighoff drilling, the caliber was an obsolete 6,5 cartridge. He sent it of to Dr. Hans and it's now a 7X65R. I know of annother drilling that were a 3006 and it was re-camberd to 30 blaser and got the extractor modified.

What is the make of you drilling? Perhaps it's not worth the money to fix it, that is something you must take in to count

/ JOHAN [Big Grin]

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Hello Johan

You don't need to re broach a 30'06 to convert to 30 Blaser just re chamber it's enough [Smile] , a smart move .
Saludos

Daniel
 
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Hey...maybe you are interested in some prices.
I had some problems with my "Suhler Drilling" ,the precisiion was more than bad and so i now give it away for "rechambering" it from 7*65R to .30R Blaser. The costst therefore are about 250 Euro plus the costs for getting the system "pressure - safe" arround 120 Euro.
A new barrel in 7mm or 8 mm is arround 850 Euro( my barrel is 63,5cm instead of standard 60 cm long,..so the barrel has to be ordered from Lothar Walther or Heym) incl. the costs for the bluing and the cost for the " Beschu�amt".

It would be interesting how the prices are overthere , at your place [Wink]
So please drop me a line ,..just interested

Just a hind...if u are looking for a new barrel, choose a "big" one ( with big i mean a barrel which is thick from the material) so if the time come and the barrel is "shot out" you can " rechamber" it from 7*57R to 8*57 IR easily without bigger problems.
Overhere the barrels from 8mm do have these thicker barrels..the 7mm barrels are "thinner".

All the best

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In a 16 Gauge drilling i woudnt take more than the 6,5x57R or the 7x57R. (if in perfect condition the 7x65R). I know there is still the 30R Blaser, but maybe its to hard for the beauty.

I ased my gunsmith he would make the job (with a Lothar Walther Barrel) for about 1.000 EURO.
 
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Konstantin

Who does the rebore for your drilling?

I have a 7x65r O/U double where I want to rebore the under barrel to 9,3x74R.

TXs, Franz
 
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Day dreamer , you need to have a lot of material to rebore from 7 mm to 9,3 mm or you'll en with a very thin barrels , could be not possible to have a second set of barrels in 9,3 ? if something goes wrong with the reboring you'll end with a monoblock with sleeved barrels [Frown] , not bad but if you have some engraving they are lost .

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Daniel
 
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Have a change barrel set in 9,3x74r too - but the 2x 7x65R doesn't really make me happy - so I figured I can have both of the best features in one setup!

I think the barrels have the same dimentions - have to check anyway.... If it doesn't work I'll get a LW barrel installed.

Franz
 
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Hello Franz just check if the barrels are demi block or mono block , reboring it's only acceptable in a demi block , if it's mono block simply change the tubes from the mono block , not a complicated operation and not so expensive [Smile]

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Daniel
 
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Thanks for the input guys I would like to answer all replies but have setted for sending a picture for comments on what should be done.I will look and also send pictures of the proof marks it has been recently proofed here in GB.Where would you suggest I go to have it repaired.(hoping it is worth it!)as I said it is possibly a long time project,have been told it could cost around �1000 for repair. Dont know if there are any gunsmiths experienced along this line of work in GB or is there? Have tried to locate site to load pictures no joy can some one point me in right direction please thanks
 
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Hey,
get my drilling back from the gunsmith.
The precission is realy good! 3 shots hold together 2,5cm.
i�ve used Hornady Interlock with 180grs.
Up to now i hadn�t any chance to see how the .30R Blaser do the job on game...but i hope i will be able to say this in a few days [Wink]

Cheers

Konstantin
 
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Congatulations, I msure it will work just fine in the forest [Big Grin] Who did the job?

/ JOHAN
 
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Buy another used Drilling.

It would cheaper than rebarrelling.

Carcano

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Konstantin

Who does the rebore for your drilling?

I have a 7x65r O/U double where I want to rebore the under barrel to 9,3x74R.

TXs, Franz

Well, there is a Swiss Pfuscher of the very worst kind (I saw his work - what crap !), and there is an old pensionist in Suhl who does a good and affordable job still.

Apart from this oldtimer, Fritz Schiling's famous workshop has finally been taken over by a relative (big sighs of relief everywhere among German gunsmiths), but this guy still lacks the decades of experience and know-how of old Fritz. Also, Heym or some Heym employees have a, uhhhh, quarter-public ;-) facility of reboring, but it's very low-key, and not generally advertised nor admitted to.

If you have a four-digit DM sum to squander senselessly, you can also go to Ferlach [Big Grin] . I asked them to find out - but these guys from the Genossenschaft live out of the real world...

Carcano

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Dont know if there are any gunsmiths experienced along this line of work in GB or is there?

Yep. Border Barrels are associated with a fine gunsmith, who is able to do reboring too. Not exactly cheap, but quality should be expectably high. Don't know however, how good this master is at regulating - and that's the step where your money will be really vacuumed away. ;-)

Carcano
 
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Hey Johan,
the gunsmith name is Marco Fr�hauf. He has an internet side: www.gebrueder-fruehauf.de.
Although i�m not a specialist i have to say he did a real good work!
Tried to test the hornady Interlock last weekend on a red stag. He was 80 meters away, but it was to early in the morning. Can�t shoot him because i wasn�t able to say if it was a "Kronen 12er" or a Eisspro�en 10 er.
First stag would get bigger when he gets older... we say a " Zukunftshirsch".
The Eisspro�enzehner would have been a "selection stag"... but as i said above..couldn�t say for sure if he maybe not was a royal [Wink]
But was a fabuoulos and incredible Morning, just staying there and saw thisa beautifull stag !
btw: i called him from a distance of 400meters .

To carcano: Mr. Schilling is dead. sorry, to tell.
And as far as know...there are only one or two guys left how can do the job...but not knowing who these guys are , because nobody will tell you [Wink]

i have to sa, i�m confident with my drilling!

All the best

Konstantin
 
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To carcano: Mr. Schilling is dead. sorry, to tell.

My dear: I am afraid it was *me* who told *you*. Plus, I've informed you about the new situation. Am I not fabulous ? ;-)

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And as far as know...there are only one or two guys left how can do the job...but not knowing who these guys are , because nobody will tell you [Wink]
Yeah, right. Shrouded secrecy. [Big Grin]

Carcano
 
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