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Originally posted by Richard E:

i never acused you, just asked if you were acussing
2 different things
read what was posted Boyo
who's trying to sh*t stir now

Dickie boy

Play the innocent all you like. It matters nowt to me.

Bog that stag in my last picture was on the hook at 420lb.This was my self showing a new start were to put the bullet a young 12 pointer that weighed in at just under 300lb

Good carcass weight, on par with East European stags.

The newbie is having a good close look, looks like a diligent student!

Gab, I finally found what I was looking for. Several hours of head scratching later I found that I had sent my pictures toa colleague.... Duh!

Anyhow the old boy in the photo was a strong animal when I photographed him (holding around 30 hinds) but he was definitely going back. Aas you can see he's lost his bez tines (just lumps) and his tops are uneven. You can see the rear tine I was on about on his nearside antler. I was told many years ago that this indicated Wapiti blood but have recently been told that it doesn't... I don't know which to believe now and think I might write to Bruce Banwell to see if he can shed any light on the subject. Enjoy.

Great pic - thanks for posting!

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Originally posted by zaitsev:
You can see the rear tine I was on about on his nearside antler. I was told many years ago that this indicated Wapiti blood[/IMG]

Gareth

Don't you mean off side??

The Wapiti blood line could very well be correct. As very few red deer in England have managed to remain pure due to the Victorian trend of introducing Wapiti genes into the herds of park deer in order to increase body weights. As you know most of these park deer herds are the basis of the now wild deer we encounter around the country. What we have are red-wapiti hybreds

Scotland now face a similar dilemma in regards to Sika and red-sika hybreds. IMO it will not be that long before the only pure blood reds in the country will be those on the scottish islands.

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Student: Derrrrrr ........ do you think its dead Dave????

Dave: Could be its just sleeping heavy.... lets go poke it and find out.

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Originally posted by SLDG:
This was my self showing a new start were to put the bullet

Almost as good a joke as Don's April Fool.

It is important to show new lads to the sport entrance and exit holes it demonstrates what the ammunition is doing for you and if it is the right combination for the type of animal your stalking.The chap in the picture was an old fella who had never shot a deer before .His rifle was a .243 with varmint bullets not what i would call ideal for large animals. I did see on the ground a cross between animal and man but no wapiti.

Same deer, different side of the world. Apparently the 19th Century releases in this valley of NZ were from Windsor Park. No wapiti in this boy.

Very nice stags there and pic`s, one thing Richard bet that was struggle to get it in the back of the 4x4,

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Apparently the 19th Century releases in this valley of NZ were from Windsor Park. No wapiti in this boy.

That wasn't the case all over NZ though IIRC

Pity that they are often treated as an pest species by the various governmental departments and ministries

The first Red Deer released in NZ came from Invermark

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Originally posted by Carlsen Highway:


Same deer, different side of the world. Apparently the 19th Century releases in this valley of NZ were from Windsor Park. No wapiti in this boy.

Is the rifle a BRNO ZG 47?

These are some more stags from the same area. The pictures were not taken by me. Sadly, stags like these are no longer seen in the area as the people responsible for the 'management' of the deer shot out all the mature stags. Herd structure gone, massive own goal with the public/interested parties. There are so few stags now that there is no competitive rut.
Whoever it is should be ashamed. Greed profits no one in the long run. Enjoy the pics as the'yll be the last for many years. BTW I have no issue with taking a mature animal in its/past it's prime. However these individuals have WAY overstepped the mark.

http://i930.photobucket.com/al...treeman/deer2004.jpg

http://i930.photobucket.com/al...treeman/deer2005.jpg

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zaitsev:
These are some more stags from the same area. The pictures were not taken by me. Sadly, stags like these are no longer seen in the area as the people responsible for the 'management' of the deer shot out all the mature stags. Herd structure gone, massive own goal with the public/interested parties. There are so few stags now that there is no competitive rut.
Whoever it is should be ashamed. Greed profits no one in the long run. Enjoy the pics as the'yll be the last for many years. BTW I have no issue with taking a mature animal in its/past it's prime. However these individuals have WAY overstepped the mark.

I have been lurking for awhile but now I could no longer resist. I hope this works. Maybe I'll do two different links just in case.

This is what can be found in Bulgaria.





http://i970.photobucket.com/al...202009/DeerDown2.jpg

zaitsev great photos,i really like the second very cool

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Originally posted by zaitsev:
These are some more stags from the same area. The pictures were not taken by me. Sadly, stags like these are no longer seen in the area as the people responsible for the 'management' of the deer shot out all the mature stags. Herd structure gone, massive own goal with the public/interested parties. There are so few stags now that there is no competitive rut.
Whoever it is should be ashamed. Greed profits no one in the long run. Enjoy the pics as the'yll be the last for many years. BTW I have no issue with taking a mature animal in its/past it's prime. However these individuals have WAY overstepped the mark.

Gareth

There will always be those unscrupulous types around that are prepared to exploit a natural resource for the own financial gain.

You also have the idiots who having managed to worm their way in to small patches of ground between larger well managed stalking areas then proceed to slot anything and everything that unfortunately happens to venture their or their associates way. With out any thought other than self aggrandisement and cash on the hoof.

I suppose its better than having them set their dogs on the deer.

Gareth

There will always be those unscrupulous types around that are prepared to exploit a natural resource for the own financial gain.

You also have the idiots who having managed to worm their way in to small patches of ground between larger well managed stalking areas then proceed to slot anything and everything that unfortunately happens to venture their or their associates way. With out any thought other than self aggrandisement and cash on the hoof.

I suppose its better than having them set their dogs on the deer.

True (whats your name by the way TH?)

It doesn't make it any less galling though.

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It doesn't make it any less galling though.

I agree with you 100%. Neither scenario is particularly digestible to any decent legitimate stalker.

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Originally posted by Tophand:

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Apparently the 19th Century releases in this valley of NZ were from Windsor Park. No wapiti in this boy.

That wasn't the case all over NZ though IIRC

Pity that they are often treated as an pest species by the various governmental departments and ministries

No, they released deer from many different parks in different places, but the earliest were Scottish highland deer. They also got some from British gameparks that were German in origin. The rugged nature of the country has meant that in some areas the bloodlines remain distinct.

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Originally posted by Monastery-Forester:

Is the rifle a BRNO ZG 47?

Yes, nice little rifle in 7x57mm. It had a beautiful stock that doesn't show up in that picture.I don't have it anymore sadly, and use an old Mannlicher today.

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Originally posted by Chukar:

Nice stag Chukar. Weidmannsheil!

- mike

Nice Stag from Southern Hungary 2008

In Kent the Stags have started wearing Realtree Cammo. It makes them a lot harder to pick out:

Here are a few of the cull Stags

Great pics guys.

This one was'nt much of a trophy but it was a great hunt. We climbed for a couple of hours from the nearest road to get up to the cabin from where we started hunting.



This one a little better but the hunt was not the same great expireance as the first one from Germany.

After a number of years I finally shot a good woodland stag in the West Country. Body weight low, big frame, poor condition. Hard earned trophy.

Great pics everyone!