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Only pass through now and again, but from what I can see the threads go downhill with Tophands inputs.

Tophand, what the hell is your hidden agenda???

Hey! Don't blame me. The place was in this state when I got here.

The old guard had already departed.

So no hidden agenda, what would be the point, and how could one hope to keep it hidden?

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Originally posted by Tophand:

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Only pass through now and again, but from what I can see the threads go downhill with Tophands inputs.

Tophand, what the hell is your hidden agenda???

Hey! Don't blame me. The place was in this state when I got here.

The old guard had already departed.

So no hidden agenda, what would be the point, and how could one hope to keep it hidden?

Does anyone have a good recipie for chips?

Shoulder chips, specifically.

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Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
It's not about the rising to a fly or any other such thing. The forum here basically operated in a way whereby people behave in the same way through their keyboard as they would if they were having the discussion in person.

Yep! I do that.

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If you are talking to a group of your friends in the pub and some idiot keeps throwing his little barbed gems into the equation uninvited, then the conversation goes nowhere and the said idiot would be excluded.

Thats where you problem lies. We not down the pub with your selected friends, we're on an internet forum. Internet forums work differently, to interpersonal socio interactions. There is no requirement to be invited, they are open to all, you don't have to be acquainted or in a social environment. What might be deemed "uninvited little barbed gems" due to a persons over active sensibilities and negativity to the circumstance by which the comments where posted, or just plain desire to find fault. Could simply be genuinely held views and opinions which are equally pertinent, valid and acceptable.

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If on the other hand someone does the old " I couldn't help but over hear" and adds some thing worth while to your conversation then you are likely to buy him a pint and make a new friend.

Who's to say what's worth while? You? Them? The group? The rest of the pub? The landlord? The friends of the poster? The guy over hearing the conversation? Or you could simply choose to ignore them carry on with your activities. Society owes you nothing, if you don't want to be over heard, be interrupted, have those outside the chosen group add their comments or views which might upset your sensibilities don't go down the pub. Stay at home and invite a few people around for a drink. You might find the interactivity becomes a little stale and predictable after a while but you'll never have to broaden your view of the world.

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People on other forums may consider AR to be a cliquey club. I don't know why they find this offensive and have the need to disrupt. Personally I think that this is one of the few sites where the majority of contributors hold substantial shooting and use it. Many of the people causing disruption have little or nothing and are jealous of this. Judging by how many of Tophand's (and the other aliases) posts have anything to do with their stalking experiences can only mean they spend more time behind a keyboard than a rifle.

I don't think people are that bothered if you and your friends form a clique. I think they find it bothersome that you feel that they have to conform to your and the cliques view of what is right and what is wrong in order to be considered acceptable to post on the forum. I think that people find the god almighty pettiness of some people offensive. I think that people find the old hands disgruntlement at what they see as the breaking down of the old order and the changes that ensue laughable, and a clear indication of how out on a limb they feel themselves to be that they have to herd themselves together into a "clique"! in order to bolster the sense that all is right with the world.

I can't speak for those deemed to be disruptive by you or any of your so called "friends" as to what they have or don't have. Me I have all that I need and more besides. So I'm all right jack! On a personal front I find the " I went stalking this morning and saw a buck" type posts boring to say the least, I find "this is what I shot" photos uninteresting and uninspiring. I find open.w ell mannered and intelligent discussions on a wide variety of subjects and issues very interesting and thought provoking, and I take what is posted in good humour, and with a large measure of salt added for taste. I take the mick and have the mick taken, does it bother me not in the slightest. Why? Bcos its only a frigging internet forum. I hav made some good friends and I have encountered a few people that I wouldn't pee on if they were on fire. But then thats life. My advice to any one is grow up, get real, realise that we all have choices, and just bcos we don't agree doesn't mean that either one of us is more right than the other. But then I always know that I'm the most right.

As for my time behind the rifle. Well that's for me and those that know me to know. But its a lot more than you might think it is.

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Originally posted by Ghubert:

Does anyone have a good recipie for chips?

Shoulder chips, specifically.

PMSL

The only chip I have Amir is the one I dip in Ketchup when tucking into a medium rare venison burger off the BBQ.

After ripping the pee out of a few mates down the club.

You and yours should try it some time. You'll find it works wonders for your sense of humour and inner humility.

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Originally posted by Tophand:

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Originally posted by Ghubert:

Does anyone have a good recipie for chips?

Shoulder chips, specifically.

PMSL

The only chip I have Amir is the one I dip in Ketchup when tucking into a medium rare venison burger off the BBQ.

After ripping the pee out of a few mates down the club.

You and yours should try it some time. You'll find it works wonders for your sense of humour and inner humility.

Oh yeah, because we'd never take the piss.

The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude towards the problem.....

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Originally posted by Tophand:
On a personal front I find the " I went stalking this morning and saw a buck" type posts boring to say the least, I find "this is what I shot" photos uninteresting and uninspiring. I find open.w ell mannered and intelligent discussions on a wide variety of subjects and issues very interesting and thought provoking

you are aware that this is the European Hunting forum?

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Originally posted by Ghubert:
Oh yeah, because we'd never take the piss.

What a nice well brought up lad like you, never!

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Originally posted by Tophand:

Who's to say what's worth while? You? Them? The group?

Tophand, I couldn't agree with you more.

The only thing that can decide worthwhile contribution within a group/forum or community is consensus. Hence why there may be places you frequent that I would not wish to go to. It's my choice to go or not to go but the overall ethos of the venue is what I base my decision on.

Hence why I am not placing myself in any kind of judicial position, simply pointing out to you that the majority of people disagree with your approach to internet discussion forums and so by the paradigm upon which this forum functions you are indeed incorrect.

Elsewhere you may well be thought of as the second coming and good luck to you.

Oh and by the way as someone mentioned I am indeed happy to buy you a beer. No problem at all.

FB

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Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
The only thing that can decide worthwhile contribution within a group/forum or community is consensus. Hence why there may be places you frequent that I would not wish to go to. It's my choice to go or not to go but the overall ethos of the venue is what I base my decision on.

Hence why I am not placing myself in any kind of judicial position, simply pointing out to you that the majority of people disagree with your approach to internet discussion forums and so by the paradigm upon which this forum functions you are indeed incorrect.

Elsewhere you may well be thought of as the second coming and good luck to you.

Oh and by the way as someone mentioned I am indeed happy to buy you a beer. No problem at all.

Consensus is about as reliable means of determining acceptability or appropriateness as looking at the bowels of a gutted cockerel before deciding which way best top make your way home. As it depend entirely upon the questions asked , the way they are asked, and the way the responses to the questions are interpreted. Besides the wind might change and 2 thirds of those questioned could well change their answers as it had started raining and they wanted to get in door to dry off. In other words consensus is entirely what ever you want to make of it. If you don't believe be just ask Alistair Campbell, Tony Blairs notorious spin doctor on his view on consensus.

If there's one thing certain about forums its that there is no paradigm. That's one of their great attractions, greatest assets and best features. To try and claim this one or any of them functions upon one is rather amusing to say the least.

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Originally posted by Trapper Dave:
The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude towards the problem.....

A problem is only a problem if you believe it to be a problem. The same goes for attitudes.

If a problem is not a problem but the perception of the problem is the problem is the problem a problem of perception or a problem of lack of perception?
If the attitude to a problem is a problem but the problem is in the perception of the attitude, does changing the problem or changing the attitude cause the problem to be no longer a problem or should the perception of the attitude be changed? As that is possibly the problem rather than the attitude or indeed the problem.
If the problem changes or alters but the attitude stay as it was is that a problem seeing as the original problem is no longer a problem , or would the perception of the problem change with the change in the problem itself and there for the perception of the problem that might or might not be the attitude to the problem would that no longer be a problem, as the attitude to the problem would no longer be the same attitude to the same problem? That's the problem.

All this is based upon the perception of the problem and the perception of the attitude to the problem being the same on both sides of the problem and the perception, if either side perceive the problem or the perception of the problem or the attitude or the preception of the attitude to not be the same then that is a problem.

If you could define the problem or non problem and then define your perception of the problem or non problem and the do likewise in regards to the attitude or non attitude we might then have a basis upon which to define what the problem or non problem might be. Assuming of course that I agree with your definition of both the definition of the problem or non problem and the attitude or non attitude. if we cant reach and agreed definition then we could well have a problem.

I think that will do for getting on with.

tophand

I know you have a ball with this, but AR actually have a political forum that is better suited for you as a playground, with like minded people to play with, the european forum actually has been going downhill with your posts and those northern sheep shaggers that went before you.
i still dont know anything about you hunting wice, and that is a bit sad in my book, as that is about the only thing i am interested in.
Your personal attacks on other members and your stalking behavior regarding their ID on other forums is annoying, boring and seems like as much fun as a couple of old women trash talking their neighbors

Please join in as a hunting mate or find some other place as the Political forum further down the aisle.

best

peter

I wasn't going to get involved here but I feel the same as alot of the old members on here.

Tophand you have a mental problem. I am not a psychologist and I am sure there is a term for your behaviourial issue that surfaces all too often.

Whatever the professional term that would define your behaviourial trait I would say in laymans terms it could be known as "arsehole syndrome".

As I say I was going to resist posting but you are definitely the issue here and I am serious when I say you have issues mentally.

Go and see a doctor and maybe he could cure you of "arsehole syndrome".

Peter

Just bcos you sport a pony tail doesn't mean you have to act like a horses rear end.
Politics is one of the most boring subjects imaginable. IMPO. Fortunately communism is in decline across the free world so we are all allowed to have differing opinions on what constitutes informative, entertaining, interesting post content. Just as we all have opinions on what doesn't. You're entitled to yours and I'm entitled to mine. As were the "northern sheep shaggers" that went before me. Who ever they were. I'm sure they speak highly of you too.

You desire to know more about my hunting wice. I can't help you with as I have no idea what a wice is. If by wice you meant life, thats just the luck of the draw I'm afraid. like I said I find the "I went stalking this morning" or the "I once shot a couple of bucks" type posts all rather boring. So rarely feel inclined to make them. As the majority of forum posters are not professional writer or journalists one of the major turn offs in regards such posts is the clichéd language, the inability to convey the unobvious and the subtleties. But then we can't all be Hemmingways, Ruarks or Capsticks.

As for personal attacks on other posters and stalking their ID's across the internet. Please! I suggest you go back and read what was actually posted, rather than try to sensationalise what you have been told or think you have read. You'll find that I have attacked no one and have certainly not stalked anyone. If people want to use multiple identities across multiple fora that is their business and their problem when those alternatives are simply highlighted for those less well informed. Even a supposed certain doyen of public service, has used or uses 3 alternative identities across various fora that I know of. Call that trash talking if you want.

Why thank you Jon for your intelligent and insightful input. You obviously speak from personal experience.

I'll make sure I don't use the same one as you've been using. Bcos what ever he's given or tried with you sure hasn't worked.

But you have a nice day now!

gents,

throughout my life i have met a lot of people, i have based opinions on people and views of things which happen along the way,
i almost act on instinct now, i meet some people i make the decision that i really do not need to waste time knowing, i also meet people who i think, now there's a good bloke.

I still do peruse this site often but just havnt posted for a while,
there are a good few people on here whose posts i will choose to read if i see them listed, for the same reason i make if meeting people face to face,

tophand is unfortunately one of those people i would probably choose not to waste time knowing, if in person he is as annoying as his posts lead us to believe.

i wish every one the best of luck with the next summer stalking.

Alex

Thank you for your honesty.
We all make choices. Some work out to be right and some not.
We only regret the choices we didn't make and the ones we get wrong.

It always helps to get choices right if you know what it is your making a choice about. Instinct can play tricks on you when you least expect it. Personally I try not to make choices based upon a few words on an internet forum. But hey! Thats your choice.

I've just put tophand on "ignore".

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Originally posted by Tophand:
Peter

Just bcos you sport a pony tail doesn't mean you have to act like a horses rear end.

and



I hope that stops the rot......

Don

Thanks Sir!

Thank you Don!

What a childish individual he was. To return in some form no doubt, as these idiots always do.

thanks don

the magic broom sweeps across the forum, and the fresh spring air is allowed to come in again.

best

peter

Finally...
Just wondering what nick will use next time he´s out and running

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I hope that stops the rot.

Don

Wow!

What a breath of fresh air.

Thank You.

I'm out and about so just popped in for the first time in a while. Thanks Don.

K

FB,

Too slow, the bad smell has returned...

Regards,

Peter

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Originally posted by Pete E:
FB,

Too slow, the bad smell has returned...

Regards,

Peter

But not for long..............

Don

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Originally posted by Pete E:
FB,

Too slow, the bad smell has returned...

Regards,

Peter

Hey Pete,

There's always another bullet....

Hi guys,
I hope that you are all well and resistant on trolls and other things which can cause the bad side effects.

I missed this and most of the other posts in last couple of months because I was too busy but I'll try to be more active in future.

Thanks to all of you for keeping this forum alive.

I used to post on AR 5-10 times a day, now I am lucky if I do that in a month, or maybe every other month.

I always check this forum out and the combination gun and single shot forums.

I have met a lot of good people on here, and got to hunt with a few. Nice people here. Unfortunatly it doesn't always draw the nicest folks to it.

I thought this was a stalking forum, not a bitch slap.
I will post no more.............

Seems like this stuff goes on in all the best sites