red deer... It has been a few years since I tried that! Where do you hunt? For roe deer I will try the GS custom 150 grains bullet come august 10th. I go for the HP design, as it is rumored to hold together better than the HV. At their web site http://gscustom.co.za/ they argue that velocity as a meat waster is only due to faulty bullet construction, and propose light for calibre bullets of their design. Cant wait to try them out! In my new 22-250 the new Barnes triple schock will be on trial. In the rifle barrel of my drilling in 20-76 / 6.5x57R I use the 120 grains Swift A-frame, tough bullet and little meat damage in the 5 roe deer I have shot with it so far (two neck shots and three behind the shoulder shots).

tiggertate,

Your post is pretty much my take on the subject. In the UK, rightly or wrongly, the .270 has a reputaion as a "kicker" and "meat waster" but the 7mm Mauser is thought of as just the opposite; I could never figure out why.

The answer is simple: if you don't want your .270Win to shred meat, basically increase your bullet weight and drop the velocity...

Regards,

Pete

I reload and have had good results (little meat damage) with
Hornady 150gr. in .270w in a light load on Roedeer.
Never the less I would like to find the perfect bullet, please give me your input on the matter.
Facts needed are:
Bullet,
Bullet speed (V0)
Size of exithole, on roedeer , combined with bullet placement and angle.

Thanks in advance

Niels

Niels
My wife and I have had excellent results on deer and wild pigs with Trophy Bonded Bearclaws. [ Federal factory 165gr in the 308 Winchester].
Some of these pigs have been shot as close as 20 yards. We try to hit them behind the shoulder. Because the bullet is bonded and the lead is soft, there is not much fragmentation of the bullet. Thus not much meat damage. They kill game real quick too. I think any bonded bullet at around 2600 to 2700 fps would work.

Niels.

I do exactly what you have established and have minimal meat damage with a 150gn .270 travelling at 2250fps.

The suggestion to go to a 'bonded core' bullet is the way I am headed now - looking at the new 'Interbond' in 165gn for my 30 cal.

A shot taken when the Roe is broadside on, slightly behind the front leg and level with the point of the shoulder has always given me virtually no wasted meat.

Be careful of the harder bullets if you drive them at low velocities. Non expansion will result in hardly any damage - and Roe running quite some distance before dropping. Not good next to a wood at last light!!

Rgds from England!

Ian

Hi Ian

I am going towards bonded bullets too. I have had some of the best experiences with Barnes X, exitholes the size of my thumbnail in .308, in fac. speeds, but that was when shots were placed perfectly and shots are not allways as perfect as ones intent are they...
I have learned that Interbond is quite soft, so I am going more towards Scirocco. But that is what this post is for..
Learning from the experience of others


Thanks for your input

Niels

Niels,

Which Barnes-X did you use in the .308? I was looking at using the 165gr sako for my upcoming new 308.

FB

Niels

I have used Trophy bonded bear claw and swift A-frame in my old 270. 140 grains Both were loaded to 918-922 m/s. Both worked like a charm, not much meat lost at all.

I think the hornady bonded bullets and the nosler accubond would be good bullets. Sirocco is very soft and not worth the extra cost in my opinion.

Cheers
/ JOHAN

I'd stay away from the 130 gn and would recommend a 150 instead. I'm very pleased with the Sierra 160 GK in my 7x64.

Fallow Buck_

I think it was 180gr. It should be.. I allmost allways use " heavy for caliber" bullets.

JOhan, Andr�, guys.... Please facts, please.

Facts give me information I can use, opinions are as many as there are hunters. Look at Ian's post, he came up with the good stuff.
What I need is:

Quote:

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Bullet,
Bullet speed (V0)
Size of exithole, on roedeer , combined with bullet placement and angle.

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Thanks in advance

Niels

I have made good experiences with the Nosler Partitions, both in 30/06 with 150 grain as well as 6,5x57 R with 125 grain. Both drop the animals "usually" on the spot but destroy very little meat. I only take shots behind teh shoulder. The exit hole is per average around the size of a 2-Euro coin. I�d guess that this is the result of the relatively high speed combined with a tough bullet.



The Ballistic Tips I used before can make a big mess when hitting bones.



I should have some pictures I could forward, if you indicate me a mail adress.

140 gr Trophy Bear Bonded Claw from Federal in High Energy last summer took down Black Bear at around 150m.

TBBC and Swift A-frame IMHO are the best hunting bullets out there for medium to heavy game.

Peter

Niels, I know what your asking but you really have a velocity problem more than a bullet problem. For Roe deer, if you slow it down to 2300-2400 fps at the muzzle you will accomplish a lot of what you want with a wider range of projectiles. Exit will still be 1.5 or so but the trauma is much less.
I shoot a 270 a lot and at longish ranges so I shoot Speer Grand Slams at 2800 (130s or 150s) when meat hunting with it. I've loaded it down as low as 2300 and still had excellent killng power.
When hunting horns its another story.

Thanks Johan

No I am not making a forensic study, just plain bullet digging, as so many others. But a statement like: "Hey I like this bullet, I shot a deer with it and it died right away!" is of little use, since there are so many hunters and so many bullets. A statement like the above contains no comparable information, no comparable factors.
But with the information you added to your first post, I can use your experience to compare to my own, which is what I wanted to do in the first place.
namely to compare
Bullet (.277)
Bullet speed
Bullet placement and angle
Size of exithole

Quote:

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Exit hole was roughly 1,5 calibers.

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Quote is taken from your last reply post.
That means that the exithole was 7,04mm/.277" X 1,5 or...?
Is seems to me that that is a very small exithole indeed.

Best regards Niels

Hi Niels, interesting thread! I can tell you one bullet that I will not use again for roe deer in my 300wsm, the 180 grain Scirocco. I have shot two roe deer bucks with it
v/o 909 m/s
distance 180 and 90 meters
exit whole..... about the size of a dinner plate.... uggly!

I have shot this bullet in ice last winter at a distance of 40 meters. It holds together well, and expand to nearly three times the calibre diameter(!) Might work well on reindeer or red deer, but for reo deer it is to soft at this velocity.

Well the 270 is a high velocity cartridge. I get around 3,170+ fps with 130 gr Speer SP's. Its my favorite Deer load for the 270. The White Tails I hunted would go around 150lbs to 200 lbs or so. Carabou on the other hand you could double that. There is a couple of things you can do to reduce meat damage with the 270, load a heavier stouter bullet. Or reduce velocity. My other favorite load is the same 130 gr weight but a Nosler Partiton. Also try to keep your bullets in the ribs, take out the lungs and that is that. On the other hand at worst you are talking about a double handfull of meat. Not much when you are dealing with a 350 to 400 lbs of Carabou, but it could be quite bit on a 30 lbs roe. The only other thing you can do is go to a less powerful cartridge. I hunt a lot of deer with a 6.5 x 55 these days. I like it a lot, so much so, I have 5 rifles so chambered. How much venison are you loosing? Your dog likes meat too you know.

They look interesting. Especially the Solids, since they look like Bridger flatnose solids that are now out of business.

I could not find however, that it was stated anywhere on the site, that delivery would be 2 years.

Do you Have any experience with this?


Niels