Just bought a box and compared the bullet with one I allready had. I talked with a friend that reloads and he confirmed that there are two types - balisticaly the same tho he thought that the one with rim (groove) below the cutting edge myght be loosing less weight (has more penetration). Does anybody know if that is the case or what is all about? Any info would be appreciated!

My 9.3x64 cart's are factory loaded with the TUG's on the right. They show good accuracy and they punched absolutely perfect holes when sighting in. Seriously a paper hole puncher couldn't have done a better job.
I then was pissing around, shooting into logs. The pentration was excellent. I usualy got full penetration at 60 or more centimeters.
Sorry if I can't fully answer you mouse 93, but I felt compelled to write when I saw the photos.

...thanks 366 - got simillar results as you mentioned with the bullet on the right - but have not a clue about the one on the left...

mouse,

A good question.

Although I may be wrong (happens alot!) it appears to me from your photo that you've a picture of a TIG (Torpedo Ideal Geschoß - Torpedo Ideal Bullet) and a TUG (Torpedo Universal Geschoß - Torpedo Universal Bullet). While the amunition is expensive, please pull both of these bullets out of the cases and send along another photo of the bullets, that ought to explain the "difference". If you look a the website below it explains the different concept (therefore shape) of the TUG & TIG bullets.

Here the Brenneke website to compare:

http://www.brenneke.de/web/new_prod2.html

The "Cookie Cutter Effect" 366 mentions; or "Scharf Rand" translated as "Sharp Edge" or a litteral translation as "Cutting Edge" is a feature on both the TIG & TUG bullets and has two purposes. One is an attempt to make sure the entry hole is cut round and dosen't close up again so there is potential for two bullet holes in the animal an entry & exit for a better blood trail. Also to cut hair around the entry wound. If you know where the beast was standing when the shot was taken you can easily find the cut-off hairs. If an animal is wounded the "Cut Hair" can be a good indication of where the bullet struck giving the tracker & his dog a good idea of the location of the wound, potential blood loss, tracking duration, etc.

Gerry I have allready thought about it - but nore RWS or Brenneke does not produce TIG in bigger calliber than 8 mm so I guess that is not the case...if I look at the picture from RWS site:



(we are talking about groove No.4) - it looks like the bullet on the right - same from the Brenneke picture:



so the left (new) bullet puzzles me - it seems that groove No.4 is way back and much shallower - I guess right on dhe border between soft and hard lead - if so does that means that the bullet on the right has longer hard lead part than the one on the left?...how ever I have allready sent e-mails to RWS and Brenneke, asking for explanaiton - will see what happens...

"Cutting Edge", they sure put a lot of thought into their bullets! I want to thank you as well! Excellent info.
Haven't had a chance to try them on game yet. I always saw the wrong species or sex! But I've until Feb 28 for hunting so I'm sure success is at hand.

Yep!! mouse is right, the TIG's stop at 8mm & the TUG's don't go below 30 cal.

Hey Guys, mouse & 366.....

Well, color me dumb! I'm an oldy (just keep that young look by ironing my face every morning!)

I woulda sworn that at one time I've seen both TIG's & TUG's in some 7mm cartidge loads but then again; I stand corrected.

An interesting bullet issue nevertheless and hope you get a reasonable response from Brenneke.

Stranger things have happened, I was shooting a 20 gauge one day at the sporting range and opened the seal of a brand-new box of RWS 20 gauge Club ammo and dumped them in my vest pocket. Since I'm shooting challenged I was concetrating hard on the birds and thought I'd gotten a swollen cartridge that wouldn't chamber so dropped it in my right vest pocket to deal with after the round was over. A couple birds later had another one that wouldn't quite chamber again and looked at the headstamp - 16 Gauge! Brand new ammo from RWS had 8 - 16 Gauge cartridges in a box of 20 Gauge ammo!

Gerry don`t be so hard with iron on yourself - well I got an e-mail today from Brenneke - we may wait till Wednesday (none from RWS so far) that goes:

"Thanks a lot for your email. Dr. Peter Mank will be back on Wednesday and
then he will answer your email as soon as possible.
Many thanks for your patience.

Best regards,


Heike Engelke"

BRENNEKE GMBH
Ilmenauweg 2, 30851 Langenhagen /Germany

o.k. got it:

"Many thanks for your E-Mail of 23th October 2006. Your question regarding the 19,0 g Original BRENNEKE TUG for cal. 9,3 x 62 can be answered as follows.

The older bullets with the tail groove in front - just behind the cutting edge (the right one on your picture) - were replaced at beginning of 2005 by the other ones (left on your picture) which have that groove way behind. If you would have a look on the whole bullet you would see that there are total three grooves now than two before. The reason for changing the design were some complaints of customers who found out that the cores came out of the jacket totally in some cases. Specially on big or dangerous game this could cause serious problems. With the new design the TUG will work very well as exspected. Now you can be assured that the performance is reliable because the grooves will hold the jacket and the rear core together in any case.

best regards,

Dr. Peter Mank
Managing Director

B R E N N E K E G M B H
P.O. Box 16 46 - 30837 Langenhagen - Germany
Tel.: +49 (0)511-97262-0 - Fax: +49 (0)511-97262-62"

Cool! Thanks mouse93!