Ok guys

Own up for all those who has more than one rifle.

Do you synchronise all your triggers so they all have similar working parameters ?

I am in the process of doing so.

If you have not done so already why not ?

Never thought about it or thought about it but didn't think it is important.

If you have

What is your ideal trigger set up ?

Can you define it ?

Is it just by feel ?

Everytime I see a hunter pick up a friend's rifle the instintive thing is to dry fire and invariably the response is "nice"

How does one define "nice" ?

I am very curious

I am interested to hear what everybody else is thinking.

I am very particular about my trigger setup on a shotgun for obvious reasons.

Hence the set up on my double for dangerious game.

I am surprise to hear gunsmith after gunsmith telling me to leave it alone and just get use to it.

Can you imagine all these hunters paying thousands of pounds getting specialised rifle and get placed in front of dangerous game but never for one moment get the most important aspect adjusted to their satisfaction - namely the trigger .............

Am I wrong in saying that

over to you folks

BTW I am not related to Tom Mix

It would be nice if all your triggers at least had the same pull weight. I try to achieve that, but, sadly, not all triggers lend themselves to my favourite weights.

So in reality, I live with several "groups" of trigger weights 1) around 1 lbs 2) around 1.5 lbs and 3) around 2 lbs.

Triggers also vary enough that they won't have the same "feel" - e.g. a Timney has a different characteristic from a Jewell, say. Unless you can add a custom trigger to a rifle, I guess you'll have to live with different characteristics.

Fortunately, trigger pulls and characteristics are not as paramount in hunting as they are in target shooting, say. So although not ideal, one can get away with different triggers. In reality, I prefer to hunt with just a single group of rifles sharing both pull weight and characteristic.

For a trigger to be useful, IMHO, it definitely can't have any creep. All of my triggers are single stage (although I guess some shooters like two stage triggers), and none of my triggers are set. But those are just personal preferences.

- mike

Benjamin,

Set, un-set, single-stage, I shoot them all and personally I could care less if they are all identical although IMO they are all (rifles & shotguns) very servicable.

As an aside most who handle (fondle?) my R93 mention they consdider the trigger much lighter than others they have tried. Dunno? didn't do anything to it but it is pretty light.

An Anschutz 100 gramm Match Trigger is just about right for my tatses.

My three big game rifes have different trigger weights.
The lightest is the 308 Win/ Kimber Montana which is factory set at approx 1,5 pound.
The next two are Rugers (35 Whelen and 375 Ruger) which are a tad heavier at approx 2,0 and 2,5 pounds (both are factory triggers).

As long as they brake clean without any creep, I can live very comfortabely with these trigger weights.

Actually I prefere my bigger guns to be a little heavier on the trigger than the lightweight Kimber due to the different way I hunt with them.

My four rifles have different trigger weights varying between 2.5 to 3.5 lbs. The only time I notice this is when sighting in, in the field I just shoot. As much if not more important is that the trigger breaks cleanly, without drag or too much overtravel.

Hello,

In my experience, a 2,5 to 4 lbs trigger pull is OK for big game IF it is creep-free and has little overtravel. Not 0 overtravel, just a little to be safe.
I have none but I have tried several Blasers R93 and for me they have one of the best, if not THE BEST factory trigger around. I have read the ne Blaser R8 is even better...

Regards

PH

Thank you for for your opinions.

Out of all the hunting rifles I have other than the Blaser everything I have have now been fitted with a jewell trigger.

I have used my blaser as the reference point which was measured to slip at just over 02 pounds 06 oz.

I was amazed as to how much measured variation there is from shot to shot from an untouched Blaser direct trigger.

Spoke to Rupert (He is the current UK importer and he said I was the first one ever to ask about the trigger weight of factory setting! He also told me i am being a pain causing him headaches and grey hair ! hahahh

Measured variation can be up to 04 oz shot to shot using a Sinclair digital gauge

What surprised me is that a jewell varies at most 0.25 oz from shot to shot however a brand new jewell varies more but once used it settles down to very minute variations. So a trigger needs shooting in !

At least now my hunting battery are all within a few oz of each other where as before it was up to 2.5 pounds difference!

In the past 03 months I have also spoken to 05 named London double / rifle manufacturer during lunch time casual visits.

They all confirmed that final trigger setting is down to the customer and gunsmith

However 90% of their rifle customers have NO idea what they really want or looking for !

To me thats an amazing fact........

Did you find that PeterDK with your Rigby customers ?

I am convinced that unifying trigger characteristics / performance can only be a plus point rather than a step backwards.

For R93 users, "Bixn Andi" of Austria now apprently makes an after-market trigger . I have not tried the new trigger (yet), but it is rumoured to be better than the factory R93 trigger, and the pull weight can be set lower - at least in the 250-300 g (~0.5 - 0.6 lbs) range. Cost is rumoured to be in the 300 Euro range.

I shoot my R93s more than any other rifle for hunting. Although the R93 trigger is far from perfect (too mushy, too much overtravel and trigger weights not low enough), it is a pretty serviceable trigger. If you are looking for "perfection" in a Blaser tigger, see if you can locate an old K77 (single shot, break-top rifle). Now THAT is a great trigger!

The R93 factory trigger can't be modified to any great extent. You can choose pull weight range by using different factory supplied springs. The original R93 trigger, with a bit of luck, could be set as low as 600 g (~1.3 lbs). Blaser later changed the R93 trigger, and you'll be fortunate to get the new version much lower than 750 g (~1.6 lbs).

I personally find the 600-750 g range a tad much for target use. For hunting it is OK.

Blaser ships triggers to different countries with different trigger weights - probably depending on what is most commonly used in that country (or maybe in an attempt to avoid litigation)? Thus, US purchased R93s will have a heavier trigger pull than R93s sold in Continental Europe. I'm not sure if you can get a US purchased R93 to European pull weights with just a spring change??

What trigger weight do UK R93s come with??

- mike

Hi mho
I was referring to a blaser k95 rather than R93 as my reference trigger

I also own a R93 but have only fired 60 shots through it. It has been for sale for the past 3 years

I agree the direct trigger of the k95 and 77 as being on a completely direct playing field as compared to the normal blaser range. That includes the r8 which I shot with Rupert before it was launched earlier this year in north wales

I would say the direct trigger definite contribute to consistency and comparable to a Jewell

Perhaps this leads to another topic which factory production have the best trigger of the peg

Is this a deciding factor for members when they choose a rifle ? It was for me rather than looks

Yes, when i acquired my first K95 last year (having been jealous of Gerry's "Stutzen" for a while ), I was surprised to find this could be set to a lower pull weight than the R93! Previously, I always thought the K95 and R93 triggers were the same (using similar trigger shoes). Live and learn, I guess...

Speaking of triggers and modification. Our very own "1894" is a bit of a magician with regular Sako triggers. I have never managed to have any of my Sako factory triggers set below 2 lbs - which is a tad on the heavy side for me. But 1894 somehow manages to safely get his Sako triggers well below that. I'm not sure what the magic is, but he is sure good at it.

The one Sako trigger I dote on, is their "target" trigger - most easily identified via the holes in the triggerguard allowing external adjustment. That trigger can safely be set as low as 1 lbs (+), and has an extremely dry characteristic.

Pity, that apart from the Timney, after-market triggers for Sakos are pretty rare.

- mike

Yes I am stalking full time for a second k95 stutzen in 243

Anybody selling one ?

quote:

(having been jealous of Gerry's "Stutzen" for a while )

Just a note on R93 - I have exchanged mine for a gold-colored one. In my case it is much better than the regular black one - anybody else noticed that?

For me the trigger is the most important item on the rifle. Being a bit flinch prone it's vital to have consistancy.

I use 14-15oz (just under 14oz)single stage triggers with no creep, minimum overtravel and must be consistant for 3 trigger pulls. Unfortunately I can feel 2oz difference

I've managed it with Jewells, Timneys (for mausers with bolt safeties) and a couple of sako triggers. The only rifle I use that doesn't have a 14-15oz trigger is my K95 which is 1.5lb. I have got rid of very nice rifles for inconsistant triggers. It can take months to get a trigger perfect and seconds to do irrepairable damage. When you have perfection LEAVE IT ALONE!

Ben - any news on the barrel?

About 6ozs set, on my sako 75 .soooo nice