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I just returned yesterday from a bird and boar shoot in Portugal The exit from Portugal did not go smoothly. We made it to the airport OK, however, exiting with the guns and ammo did not go well. First, as we were checking in with Lufthansa, I informed them I had a firearm. They asked where the bullets were, I told them they were in a separate bag. They checked that bag and sent it into the baggage system. Then they said the final step was to have the guns checked by the police before they could be check in the guns as baggage. The police showed up and they asked where the ammo was, they said that it was against the law (EU law, some two months ago) to allow ammo in checked luggage. It has to be sent via air freight. If I wanted to take it home, I would first go to Lufthansa Air Cargo and ship the ammo home separately. Or the other choice is to have the police confiscate the ammo. I would have missed my flight if I went with the later choice. So, I donated 38 rounds of .35 Whelen to Portugal. That was after I spent about a hour waiting for them to retrieve my bags from within the Lisbon Airport’s baggage system. The second issue, apparently, when I entered Portugal, I was suppose have paid a deposit with the Portuguese customs department for the guns, get a receipt, show the receipt to them when I leave the country, get my money back. The police officer asked for that receipt when they were checking the rifle. They let me off with that one. So, now I am going to write a nasty letter to my US travel agent! They should have informed me of this law. What a hassle to hunt in Europe. To have to ship all you ammo via air freight. I think the airlines are just looking for a way to charge more money. Is this true? I made it into Lisbon with no hassle (via Frankfort)but not out. There was alot of confusion at Lufthasa. No one seemed to know what was going on. Did I loose something in Translation? | ||
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I have just flown in and out of Sweden from the UK this week with two rifles and 100 rounds of ammunition. Sweden is in the EU although it has the good taste not to bother with the Euro. Apart from the fact that the rifle had to be in one locked flight case, the ammo in another locked flight case and the bolts in our hold luggage, there were no problems. We flew with SAS who handled all of the rifle transactions very efficiently and without fuss, though they did sting us for a £25 / SEK250 handling fee per rifle case each way, on top of the £22 security fee payable per rifle case at Heathrow on the outward journey. At no point did they make any objection to carrying ammunition or say it would have to be sent by air freight. The Customs Officers, both in Sweden and the UK, were brilliant, clearing us for import and export in a couple of minutes. The UK woman did insist on checking our ammunition though, counting every round, which hasn't happened to me before. A. | |||
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Has anybody flew within the eu with firearms and ammo OFF hunting season Shall we say in the middle of summer ? Well I do all the time and Boy oh boy All the rules and interpretation changes with seasons as well........... | |||
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Have a read of this thread where the issue was discussed previously: http://forums.accuratereloadin...871000241#7871000241 It seems that TAP are enforcing it, but its unclear whether other ailines/countries will.. | |||
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On Lufthansa's site they are claiming that "Special regulations apply to the transportation of ammunition. You can find out about them at any Lufthansa Airport Ticket Teams." However if you check under Dangerous goods they say: "Description: Securely boxed ammunition (cartridges for weapons) for sporting purposes in Division 1.4S. Checked baggage: Yes Cabin baggage: No Approval of carrier required: Yes Rules: · Ammunition carried in passenger aircraft must be for personal use only for sporting and/or hunting purposes. · Only ammunition classified 1.4S, UN0012 or UN0014 may be accepted. · Only 5 kg (11lb) gross weight of ammunition per passenger (must be weighed) for own use. · Ammunition must be securely boxed, e.g. customary trade packing Forbidden: · Ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles. · Black powder must never be transported." In any case - I always print out those rules for every Carrier - and if needed point it out to those who actually just don't know (police and employees included). | |||
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Sounds very much like this is just a Portugal issue which does not apply to the rest of the EU. I've just finished having about 6 weeks worth of clients arriving and departing Scotland to and from Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Belgium and France. Maybe 60-70 hunters and NONE of them have had any issues. As always... tell airline you are carrying sporting firearms WHEN YOU BOOK YOUR TICKET. Rifle plus bolt in rifle case, ammo in metal locked box inside hard locked suitcase (or in case of SA in seperate metal box on its own) ALL of which go into the hold. There may be some variations in some airports but this in general is the way we manage in the EU with no problem COUNTRYSPORTS. Established 1984. Web sites: www.countrysports.co.uk & www.fishinginuk.co.uk SCOTLAND, ENGLAND, POLAND, SOUTH AFRICA | |||
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What a pain in the neck - tell us about your hunt anyway. | |||
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Another reason to keep a 30/06 as travelling rifle. This shit is just another example of "death by 1000 cuts". Can anyone recount a single instance of damage to property or injury to person as a result of sporting ammo being carried on an aircraft or car ferry? Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.... | |||
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