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OK! So I know that the 7x57 is illegal in France, and my choice of rifle BOTH will be long action and five shot of the same weight and SAME barrel length 24" or 60cm. So what advantages does the 7x57 have over the .270 Winchester or vice-versa? Specifically for wild boar does the 175 grain bullet in the Mauser offer any real advantage FROM THOSE THAT HAVE USED IT over the 150 grain in the .270? Indeed do people use the 175 grain in 7x57 nowadays for wild boar, and elk, or just the "lighter" weights? How much less is the recoil over a .270 Winchester...or is it about the same...and will I really be handicapped by a not so flat trajectory? I'm looking at buying a 7x57 solely because I can also get CHEAP 140 grain full metal jacket bullets for it for target shooting but back in the hunting field with soft point bullets, muntjac, roe, fallow, red, will I notice any real difference? Is this "it will take a heavy bullet" capability a real or imagined advantage? What do 7x57 users do? Just select the 139 grain for ALL or is anybody using the 175 grain "pill"? And if so will it offer any benefit on pig and elk over a 150 grain "medecine" at 2800fps in the .270? If I sell the .270 and get the 7x57 (both is not an option) will I regret it? I welcome all opinions based on practical experience...we can all just read the paper benefits in the manuals! Some even say that because modern .284 bullets are "made" for the 7mm Remington Magnum that they are now too tough for decent expansion in the slow 7x57? | ||
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Enfield, A freind of mine shoots with the 7x57 and loves it, however all the deer (Fallow) that I have seen shot with that round have looked like they were hit by a truck. I vaguely remember him saying he's found a better load but haven't seen what it will do. In my limited piggy experience they are not bullet proof and either rifle will do the job if you do your part. Rgds FB | |||
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I shoot a 7x57R in my drilling, 175 grains Interbond bullet and modest speed. Strikes like lightning. In my mind the split between 7x57 and 270 Win is expected shot range, up and to 150 meters, 7x57, beyond that the 270 win. I prefere to use moderate to heavy for cal bullets and the 7x57 does a great deal att delivering the power needed. /C | |||
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I have a 7x57 - probably my favourite calibre. A full house 140gr load uses from 44-50gr of powder, the equivalent with a 270 probably uses about 55-60gr of powder or 20% more. That coupled with the fact that the 270powder is slower burning means that muzzle blast is considerably more - it really is a very loud and quite harsh calibre IMHO. With factory loads the 270 is considerably flatter shooting. 140gr in the 7x57 factory offering are unlikely to be doing more than 2,600fps vs the 3,000fps for the 130gr 270. Given hand loading a 24" 7x57 easily acheives 2,800fps with 140gr and even 2,900fps with luck and care. This makes it flat shooting enough that there is not a lot of difference at all. Never shot a bore. Were I a one load sort of person I'd probably stick with a 150gr partition at as near to 2,800fps as I could get. I'm not so I use 140gr accubonds in the UK and have a 175gr Aframe load should I ever need to use the rifle for moose or boar. | |||
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I have never used the .270 but, have 3 7X57s and have taken game up to elk with only one shot needed with that round. I handload mostly 150 grain bullets around 2600 fps in my 7mm and have never recovered one in any game. The Norma 150 grain loads shoots very accurately in my rifles but, I've never used them for game. I don't have the need to shoot over 200 yards so long range doesn't figure into my hunting. | |||
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I have always used a 270, it is a good round for Red Stag and Sika. I have also used it in Africa 6 times and taken most of the plains game species using 150 grain bullets. But on the two trips I have done for Moose in Finland I used Sako Bullets in 155 grain. It didnt take any prisoners. I also shoot a 25.06 with 120 grain bullets which is another great round, especially on the hill in Scotland culling Red Hinds. I have also shot Wildebeest in Africa with this calibre, and it did the job no problem. | |||
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In reality there isn't a big diference from 7x57 Mauser to 270 Win, the only one you can find is that the 270 can shot at longer distance. Both will kill clear deer and boars, probably in case of very big boar you need to place your shot good. 270 Win have a bit more recoil, but nothing special. Personaly I prefer 270 why in the Alps we need to shot at medium-long range. Many depends on your hunting situation. This are two successful hunting caliber for europe. Faina I prefer to die standing that to live in knee | |||
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I have little experience with the 7*57 but I love the 270 win. In practical use I dont think there is much of a difference. Bulletchoice is much more important and both rounds can be loaded for anything from fox to moose with good trajectory. | |||
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enfieldspares, Do you plan to reload? ________ Ray | |||
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Yes I currently do reload and that is why the question. So far the information I have got has been very helpful. It does give me confidence that I can use a 270 on larger "beasts". The enquiry about the 7 x 57 is that, for practice, cheap full metal ex-military bullets are available. I can buy a stock of these and keep them for practice without having to enter the bullets as part of my ammunition allowance. If I had the true choice I would choose a 280 Remington which will give the best of both worlds...270 plusperformance and the versatility of being a true 7mm. Unfortunately I can't find a BRNO ZKK in that calibre and the other alternative 7x64 is very expensive here in UK for cases! £70 per 100 against £30 per 100 for 280 (or 270). Please keep the replies coming and I am especially heartened by the posts of thsoe who have used the 270 on elk and boar. | |||
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Personaly I would think a valid reason for selling a 270 and replacing it with a 7x57 would be that you don't take advantage and hence don't need the extra velocity and the extra noise, blast and recoil. If that's not an issue I would just shoot cheap soft point at less than maximum and leave it at that. I would doubt you would ever get the saving back unless you shoot a LOT at targets (and how accurate are cheap FMJs - they might even be mild steel barrel wreckers?) You might just want a change - fine 7x57 is a great cartridge indeed but it's a bit of a specious argument IMHO | |||
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There is no practical difference between the 7x57mm and the .270 Winchester for your purposes in the UK. I have used both at live game at under 200 yards and either would have been interchangeable. The 140 grain bullet will suffice for everything you have with the exception of large red stags. Then the 175 will come into its own. Of course, we have both readily available here from Federal. I don't know what you have over there. The 7x57 is also a very soft shooter. It doesn't have the snap recoil a .270 possesses. If you will benefit from having cheap ammo for the 7x57 and can make an even trade for the new rifle then by all means go ahead and do it. That is the only circumstance I could justify it under. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ | |||
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In you are worried about France then go 7x64 and you can still load between 105gn and 175. Ammunition easily avaiable on the Continent. Mark Hunting is getting as close as you can, shooting is getting as far away as possible. | |||
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What about a 7mm-08? modern day higher presure?? 7x57. I would go with the 7x57 every day, if you are loading your own and according to the bullet flight chart in the back of the Nosler reloading guide, there is NO differance in bullet trajectory at any velocity with the 140g BT Dave | |||
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There is no contest!!! 7x57 EVERY time over a 270, infact any 7mm over a 270!!! | |||
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that's a strong statement. the .270Win is flatshooting, and its 130 and 150gr bullets have good enough SD for a huge variety of animals. if bears and moose are not on your program, i would go for a .270 | |||
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Go with a bolt action rifle in 270 Winchester! ________ Ray | |||
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At the end of the day, it makes little difference as long as the bullet is in the right place. I have hunted Moose (Elk) twice in Finland. The 270 had no problems taking a bull Elk. I have also taken many Red Stags and Sika, and as a professional guide a 270 is a good all round calibre, which has proved itself time and time again. Who cares about a little bit more kick and recoil, if this worries you put a mod on the end, although granted our friends in the USA are not allowed to have them. The other choice is a 270 Weatherby, although the ammo is rather difficult to source in the UK. But I am not a great one for haggling over calibres, all shoot the same up to 200yds, and its the person behind the rifle that makes the shot. | |||
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I made the switch from the 270 Win to the 7x57 some years ago. If you reload you will love the Mauser round. The 139-140 gn bullet will do just about anything including large deer (pigs are a walk in the park). Velocities will be close to the 270 but unfortunately so will the recoil. BTW nothing wrong with the Winchester cartridge Changing to the Mauser round just to use cheap military ammo/bullets however is pointless unless you enjoy shooting 3" to 6" groups all day. Merry Christmas I'd rather be hunting!! | |||
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