Hi all been off for a while

Thought I will share this photo with some of you European hunting fanatics

To me this is pure pornography like being presented with 02 of the best looking women and ask to make a choice .............

What would you do ?

Stutzen in 308 other which according to Amir had plastic surgery in 6.5 x 55

Ben,

Both lovely rifles, but sadly missing the two shot-tubes that a euro-hunting system REALLY needs.....



Of course, I am a touch biased!

Rgds

Ian

I totally agree

I am looking for one and perhaps you can guide me along

No the stutzen is not my rifle but belongs to another friend and we put it together while viisting last weekend.

I have been saying this for some time but must make an effort to visit.

Keep well

WOW !

Now I was expecting a knock-down, drag out discussion as to why the Kipplauf was the ideal.

Tell you what, sort out a Drilling and we will go for the Rabbit, Pigeon, Roe in a day combo.

Of course - you will need a .22LR / WMR / Hornet Einstecklauf to be fully competitive!

Gerry is still the man to talk to regarding these lovely things - depends whether you see yourself as the owner of a traditional piece, or a modern offering from Blaser......

Rgds

Ian

I'd personally go for the Stutzen, but only if I had to choose between those two. First of all, I prefer the handy design of the Stutzen and second, the caliber is more of an all-round-caliber for european game than the 6,5x55 (eventhough it's sweden's "elk-caliber")

Waidmannsheil =)

Welcome K2

Always good to see old friends.

Rgds

Ian

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Originally posted by IanF:
WOW !

Now I was expecting a knock-down, drag out discussion as to why the Kipplauf was the ideal.

Tell you what, sort out a Drilling and we will go for the Rabbit, Pigeon, Roe in a day combo.

Of course - you will need a .22LR / WMR / Hornet Einstecklauf to be fully competitive!

Gerry is still the man to talk to regarding these lovely things - depends whether you see yourself as the owner of a traditional piece, or a modern offering from Blaser......

Rgds

Ian

Can I come!

I've got a double barreled shotgun, a .22rf a 30.06 and some duct tape?

quote:

Originally posted by IanF:
WOW !

Now I was expecting a knock-down, drag out discussion as to why the Kipplauf was the ideal.

Tell you what, sort out a Drilling and we will go for the Rabbit, Pigeon, Roe in a day combo.

Of course - you will need a .22LR / WMR / Hornet Einstecklauf to be fully competitive!

Gerry is still the man to talk to regarding these lovely things - depends whether you see yourself as the owner of a traditional piece, or a modern offering from Blaser......

Rgds

Ian

NO No NO no fist fights on line Ian my friend

How about lets drag Peter from Denmark and ask him to make us something that is really special ?

DUCTS tape GHUBERT !!!!!

Who taught you to do that ?

Was it a gentleman stalker from the west country ?

Gerry

Show us the light

Perhaps photos of some really special drillings trillings please ..............

GHUHERT while you are at it please don't put duct tape on my scope I have spare rings if you need them PLEASE

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
Gerry

Show us the light

Perhaps photos of some really special drillings trillings please ..............

GHUHERT while you are at it please don't put duct tape on my scope I have spare rings if you need them PLEASE

Oh crap!

Iaaaaaan!

Ben, you know I love that Kiplauf, don't know what I think about the adjutable cheek piece though...

I absolutely love Stutzens, I feel a new Sauer 202 Stutzen may be in my future if I decide to part with the Blaser 30/06.

Gerry will have to forgive me if I say I think a Stutzen should really be a bolt action rather than a Kiplauf.

Sorry boys I find all of them pictured ugly as sin.

The best thing about the stutzen is that if you are lost and cold there is more wood to burn.

I am going to hide now!

Now this is more like it!

Brian

We visiting Bill who is a shiooting buddy also on this forum last weekend.

He owns the only stutzen K95 in UK in 308.

He treasures it but confesses to experience a lot of recoil and muzzle flip.

As a reuslt he fitted the factory mercury tube.

Now the rifle is rear biased and because of the hogs back flips even more when it is shot.

Also because of the stock alingment there is virtually no contact with the cheek at all who ever is shooting it !

I personally would love the stutzen if I am given the choice.

But after searching for 05 years and talking to a numerious rifle builders I came to the conclusion that other than Blaser there is no other make that is consistent.

Bottom line, Do you want a gun that looks great and shoot well some of the time or a rifle that look OK but shoots consistently ?

While on the subject on Blasers do you realise there are 06 ring heights offered by the factory as an option.

The previous importor (AR) only to import 02 heights out of 06 choices.

Can you imagine how many blaser setup in UK with incorrect ring heights ?

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quote:

Originally posted by DJM:
Sorry boys I find all of them pictured ugly as sin.

The best thing about the stutzen is that if you are lost and cold there is more wood to burn.

I am going to hide now!

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Originally posted by DJM:
Now this is more like it!

Burn him!!

Burn the Witch!!

Hello Dave

I have got one !

(Desert Tactical in 308)but don't fancy carrying that on the hill.

BTW I did not pay what the importor in UK are asking. I bought it directly from the manufacturer in the states and kept it outside UK)

Have you shot one or just read about it?

Ben,

You are just teasing me now.

I had a good look at them at the Newark Shot Show.

Sadly the UK prices are too rich for me.

I would quite like one though.

No I am not

I sold mine for exactly the same price I bought it for US$4600.00.

Had a bit of fun shot straight otherwise nothing special.

There are zillions other rifles out there that can do the same thing costing a fraction of the price they charge - that's why I sold it when the demand was high.

The importer wants 5000 pounds starting price plus options !

BTW anybody from your club participating in the imperial or Queens this year ?

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Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Ben, you know I love that Kiplauf, don't know what I think about the adjutable cheek piece though...

I absolutely love Stutzens, I feel a new Sauer 202 Stutzen may be in my future if I decide to part with the Blaser 30/06.

Gerry will have to forgive me if I say I think a Stutzen should really be a bolt action rather than a Kiplauf.

Brian, so you strayed and now wantto come back to the fold... I'm not sure if they make the 202 in 260rem!!

Rifle with a history.

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I'm not sure if they make the 202 in 260rem!!

PM me I know somebody that will make a custom 202 in 260

Would you like to try my K95 in 6BR when it arrives ?

did anybody heard or had any experience from custom gunmaker ADAMY GEBRUDER,its a small custom shop from SUHL,he makes kipplaufs drillings,bergtutzens etc,friend of my wants order kipplauf from him so he would like to know quallity of ADAMY rifles,anybody knows or heard from him,thx

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The best thing about the stutzen is that if you are lost and cold there is more wood to burn.

A classic!

hey Brian what about that steyr mannlicher 243 stutzen in Young guns??? I thought that had your name on it

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Originally posted by 308mate:
hey Brian what about that steyr mannlicher 243 stutzen in Young guns??? I thought that had your name on it

Aaron, I damned near pulled the cheque book out on that one , it was really really nice, and at the right dosh also. You know the score here, there was no way I would get another slot for a deer rifle.

Plus it was a 243, which we all know is a rubbish calibre only suitable for short arses......

Would love a stutzen they just look how a rifle should look. An elegant tool. In fact I was going to replace my howa in .243 with one until I started using a unmoderated .222 and was reminded of what it sounds like to let go with a centrefire round without a great big can stuck on the end.
Common sense aside, I am fairly sure I shall let my heart over rule my brain shortly.

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did anybody heard or had any experience from custom gunmaker ADAMY GEBRUDER,its a small custom shop from SUHL,he makes kipplaufs drillings,bergtutzens etc,friend of my wants order kipplauf from him so he would like to know quallity of ADAMY rifles,anybody knows or heard from him,thx

Teuton,

Gebruder Adamy is an established, well-known & reputable gunsmithing firm in Suhl.

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
...stutzen K95 in UK in 308.

He treasures it but confesses to experience a lot of recoil and muzzle flip.

That has also been my experience. Recoil is surprisingly sharp for a .308, and muzzle flip is pronounced. Surprisingly, in spite of these drawbacks - which have a lot to do with the comparatively low weight of the rifle - the Stutzens often shoot very well.

It really comes down to the old story - light: easy to carry, heavy: easy to shoot.

- mike

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Originally posted by londonhunter:

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I'm not sure if they make the 202 in 260rem!!

PM me I know somebody that will make a custom 202 in 260

Would you like to try my K95 in 6BR when it arrives ?

Cannot quite remember whether its is Jackson Rifles or Border Barrels.

But one of them make replacement 202 barrels so I guess you could have a 202 in 260

Dave, Border will do 202 barrels. They have made what is basically an adapter to screw on to the end of a standard barrel.

It is expensive, but not massively more than buying a factory 202 barrel.

If I was to buy a Stutzen, I think I would go 308 in any case.

Brian

I will be a bit weary about getting a stutzen in 308
Talk to BK the owner of that stutzen he has not used it much because it wacks him quite a bit .......He is a BIGGGGG lad and shoots a 270 for breakfast on a Sauer 202 !

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Originally posted by IanF:

WOW ! Now I was expecting a knock-down, drag out discussion as to why the Kipplauf was the ideal.

Ian

Life is too short to argue Ian

Just gives me another excuse to buy another firearm ...........HAHHAAH

Hello TOP PREDATOR,

Beautiful rifle! Who was the maker and what is the rifle´s history?
I have one simmilar but not equal: DWM Original Sporting Rifle in 7x57 made with the 1893 action. Still in use!

Thank you

Ph

Top Predator - nice rifle and a nice fallow too. I can nearly smell the rutting pong from here!

Hey TP,

I hope you haven't chucked that scrappy old fallow in the hedge. I need some antlers to rattle up the bucks with the year in the rut..

K

Back on topic,

I'm not averse to the Stutzens but I think I would prefer a vintage one rather than one of the modern versions.

Saying that It wouldn't be in that 6.5 x 54 my friend like so much, although getting one re-barreled doesn't seem like too bad an idea.

I saw a recent restocked M-Schonaer (sp?)at the stockers recently and it was really beautiful. for a hill rifle I think a 308 stutzen would be very nice indeed.

LH, regarding the spare 202 barrels mine barely comes out of the cabinet anymore since I got the 260. I really don't need any more rifles or barrels but if you send me the details it might be handy to have in case...

Rgds,
K

Talking of Mannlicher Stutzens if anybody is looking for drop me a pm - I know of several for sale, some mannlichers, but several with English or Scottish makers names on them.

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Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
I'm not averse to the Stutzens but I think I would prefer a vintage one rather than one of the modern versions.

I saw a recent restocked M-Schonaer (sp?)at the stockers recently and it was really beautiful. for a hill rifle I think a 308 stutzen would be very nice indeed.

I had a Mannlicher Schönauer Stutzen, and it is indeed a very smooth action. I have only seen it with a double set trigger, though, so you have to be comfortable with that setup. You should also shoot one before you acquire it, to see if it matches your expectations. I was surprised at the slow lock time mine exhibited, which together with the double set trigger eventually made me sell it.

For many years, Steyr Mannlicher made wonderful Stutzens. If you are looking for a classicly styled firearm, check out a "Luxus" for a single set (or direct) trigger and avoiding the makralon rotary magazine.

http://egunn.de/market/item.ph...380cb9b110cc4cd0d2c2

If you'd prefer a currently manufactured rifle, the Steyr Mannlicher "Classic" is very close



- mike

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Originally posted by mho:
If you'd prefer a currently manufactured rifle, the Steyr Mannlicher "Classic" is very close



- mike

Mike, that is the same rifle 308 refered to above. Our local RFD had one in on consignment in 243 with a S&B 8x56 on top. The guy needed to shift it and would take £900 for the lot.

I really should have bought it.

The Steyr Mannlicher Stutzens really are lovely guns. I have always considered them the "best" looking of the modern Stutzens. In contrast to (most?) Mannlicher Schönauers they will also shoot with the Sauer's and the Blasers. Pre-R93, this was probably the most popular bolt action on the Continent.

Like most Stutzens, they can be finicky. It is not unknown to have to fiddle with the inletting of the forearm to ensure a stable POI.

- mike