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The caliber is 9.3x74R and the quote was for the pivoting mount in the Krieghoff brochure.

I have not shot the rifle yet and yes I am considering adding a set of barrels but they will be 20ga shotgun barrels. I have absolutely no desire to shoot a 400gr bullet at 2400 fps so any of the 416-cal boomers are not for me....did you know that if you moved up in caliber when you added extra barrels that the rifle had to go back to Germany to be re-proofed.
 
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Bill, on a double you'll need to mount the scope on the barrel. That limits your options. The traditional way of mounting these scopes was with claw mounts. They are as expensive as *&^%$#@!, and tricky to boot. For a large objective scope, you also traditionally needed either an objective ring (a big fat ring around the objective of your scope), or a scope with a rail under the objective.

There was a guy (michael) offering US made claw mounts on the Gunsmithing forum a month or two back. Use search facility.

For factory made claw mounts, check the EAW website.

OK, other options then: Blaser makes two different mounts, BSM and BBSM. They are essentially the same, but the BBSM uses a rail below the scope (akin to a one-piece base) whereas the BSM does away with that. The mount relies on a front dovetail inserted (soldered?) into the rib of the gun and a trapez (??) shaped piece of metal in the back, onto which the rear foot of the mount attaches (wheel turned to activate locking mechanism). Kind of hard to explain - see pictures below. I'm not sure I'd use this mount for a .470 Nitro Express, but for smaller calibers it has worked a champ for me.

Ah, cool, Krieghof has a couple of pictures on this page (scroll down): Krieghof's sight page, Also note the objective ring I spoke about... You can clearly see the activation "lock wheel" on the rear foot of the mount. Upper mount is BBSM (designated "Bridge Pivot Mount") and lower is BSM ("Pivot Mount").

Finally, mount rails. We have discussed these quite a bit over the last year. The Europeans who know them (I have never seen them offered in the States) swear by them. In particular the Zeiss, and now also the new Swarovski and S&B rails that are hollow on the inside, allow scopes to be mounted without any chance of stress on the scope from rings, and also eliminate ring marks. If I had the necessary $$$, all my European scopes would sport rails. Alas, European scopes are expensive, and even more so when bought in Europe. Nobody in the US knows rails, so these models are not imported, or at least sold at list prices... But it is a great system! On the Krieghof pictures I provided the link to above, the upper scope has a rail. Good system, needs a matching mount, naturally...
- mike
 
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Yes I did know that to go from 9,3 to 416 or 470 it must go back to Germany. My thinking was IF you were going to have any extra bbls fitted might as well get it done at the same time as the scope work, and only be without the rifle once.
I can definitely recommend scoping the 9,3. I think it doubles the usefullness [sorry for the pun ] of the rifle. I cannot think of a better rifle for stand hunting especially for Leopard, Lion, and Bear over bait.
I would get at least 6x on the high end and a 36mm objective for decent light gathering ability.
I like my 9,3 double so much and plan to take it on so many trips that I will have 2 scopes in QD rings for it.
Most of the game I have taken so far with the 9,3 has been with iron sights, but a scope has proven invaluable at times, and is absolutely necessary for some game.
Well worth the money IMHO.
 
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Need some advice on setting up my double for using a scope. What are my choices with respect to mounts both fixed and quick-release and where are the better places to buy them? I've seen European scopes with rails built onto them for mounting...is it easier to mount a scope with the rail than one without it?
 
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If you've got an old double I think it would be a crime to put on anything but a traditional style claw mount. For a newer one I think almost anything would work as long as the bases are low enough for you to see your open sights.

I had two drillings, one a double rifle drilling the other a "normal" one that I added scopes to.

The double rifle drilling already had claw bases but of course the rings were gone. Had the rings made by a guy in Southern Colorado who's name escapes me, had it done about 10 years ago. I bought an old Kahles straight tube low power that looked almost "period". Looked cool, worked OK.

The other drilling had no mounts, just a rib between the barrels. For this one I bought a very old 6 power, massive objective Pecar rail scope. The same guy took out the rib, cut sections out, soldered mounting blocks to the barrels and put the remaining parts of the rib back on (no small task with the rod for the pop up rear sight on a drilling). The mounting blocks had claw bases in them. He then made the "rings" for the rail scope. Frankly, the guy didn't do a very good job with the front mount, the scope barrel wasn't aligned very well with the rifle barrel and I had to send it back TWICE to get it right.

I found the Pecar rail scope and Kahles straight tube after an exhaustive internet/Ballentines/Gun List/pawn shop/gun shop search for a few months. The Kahles was wonderful from the start. The old Pecar stunk: windage was adjusted on the base and the adjustment mechanism wasn't worth squat. Elevation adjustment was completely stuck, nothing would move, it was an old scope. Had to send it off to an obscure gentleman in Penn to have it fixed.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to share what I went through.

You can find a rail scope if you want, just need to actively search and call. They certainly look very nice but, as with most things like this, if there really is an advantage it is most likely very small. People with normal tube scopes on their doubles don't automatically shoot less game and come home with tiny trophies. They all work.

You can have almost any type of base installed in your double that you want. You'll get what you pay for if you pay a lot. You'll get way less than what you pay for if you shop for price only.

I had a ton of fun with my scoped drillings. Nothing like shooting antelope and mule deer with a double rifle!! Roland and Wards record book doesn't show it, but I think that I've got the top prong horn antelope shot with a double rifle drilling. I tired of both of them not holding a candle to my beat up Remington .270s accuracy and usefullness on Montana's plains and sold them.
 
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I have handled a couple of the FN O/U doubles in 9,3 and in 30-06. They do handle very nice. If my eyes went like this 8 I might have to have one.
The more I use the 9,3x74R the more I like it.
 
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Thanks to all for the info, suggestions and offers of help. I'm going to do some more investigating before I make a decision on scoping the rifle.
 
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DB Bill
In a perfect world ALL scopes would be the European rail type in claw mounts. Of all the different scopes and mounts I have used that is the best. However in the Good Old USA it is hard to find a rail scope, which might be important if you have to replace your scope in the future on short notice or while on a hunt.
If I remember correctly your rifle is a Krieghoff, if so I would send it to Krieghoff with the scope of your choice and have them install the mount. They will recommend their pivot mount, and I have not heard anything bad about it. However I would opt for the claw mounts if I could afford them.
Also you could have J.J. at www.champlinarms.com do them.
 
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The quote from Krieghoff was $1650 for their mount but they did say they would sight the scope in for me .



Was this for a claw mount?? What does New England Custom Gun quote you for the EAW claw mount?? Apparently, mounting a claw mount is quite labour intensive. Probably best done in the States, then

You still have not told us what caliber your double is??

The BBSM and BSM mounts can be had for considerably less money than claw mounts, and are very good (just not sure about the largest caliber one should use these for?). I'd venture a guess at about 3-400$ here in Switzerland. Still not exactly cheap, but this Europe, after all.

I took a quick peek in the Frankonia catalog from last year - prices won't have changed much. Examples include:
MAK-Flex BSM (akin to the BBSM I mentioned above): about Euro300 - can be had with a Weaver base, 1", 30mm rings or for scopes with rails. This does away with the need for objective rings etc etc.

EAW pivot mount: Euro500. Apparently you need a scope with a rail for this.

Suhler claw mount: Euro800. Base price, there are other options mentioned such as the objective ring (40-95 Euro, depending on size). Probably no labour included...

Just a couple of examples FYI.
- mike
 
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