I recently heard that the EU is enacting a lead ban which will extend to bullets. I believe that Sweden has a ban on lead cartridges which will begin in 2008. My fellow smallbore riflery competitors are very concerned. I don't know any details-Sweden in particular has a lot of shooters. Anybody know anything? Sorry if this has been covered before. All The Best John W

If true it would be yet another good reason for the UK to leave the EU.

This would not suprise me at all and make a have a huge impact on stalking if it comes about...Why? I am not sure forestry company's are going to like chunks of copper embedded in their trees to ruin their expensive equipment...

Dont care

We have also enough of fucking idiots here in Finland

But sofar we manage with them,hunting is old and have strong heritage here.Like the moosehunt,the population must be kept under control,its no question of that.

I think this is the first time I can tell Im glad that Russia is our neighbour in east.Knowing this,Finland have always been well armed,and will be.



Elias

500grains

Now, there were quite a few from Sweden who took part in the fights, but what difference does it make? Finland have been Swedish for quite sometime Now, there will be trouble

Finlands sak �r v�r

Cheers
/ JOHAN

And If I am not mistaken the Finnish Army numbered around 40,000 if not a little less, than that. The Soviets complained that after the War, they got 10% of Finland,just enough to bury the dead, the Finns with guns kept 90% of their country when everybody else in Europe lost theirs to either the Germans or the Soviets. Its the Same crap here a lot of Rifle and Skeet ranges have and have had a lot of problems with so called lead polution. We use steel shot for waterfowel, and Bismuth, allowed us shoot ducks with our fine shotguns. Most of the lead crap here is about Real estate some of the old clubs and ranges sit on very valuable property. Just follow the money, if you really want to know what he motives are.

Johan, my apologies for being ignorant of the Swedish contribution.

Johan, my apologies for being ignorant of the Swedish contribution. I particularly like the stories of the Finns shelling Russian troops that tried to cross frozen lakes, but sank when the artillery shells landed.

The Winter War

This is off topic of course, but if you are interested this film is certainly worth watching. They had a lack of snow making the film, but the veterans say it is accurate, because the Russian artillery made a mess of the white snow. In the final sequence the Russian fired away everything they had, because the armistace had come! My grandfather did not experience it, because he fell three days before.



If you are interested in our days of glory, when the Finnish nation was truly forged, you can follow the war day by day in finnish, swedish or english on the home page of the Armed forces. Day by day



Boha

And don't forget the Norwegains who sacrificed their lives to keep out the Russians! But then since Norway has been Swedish, and Finland has been Swedish according to Johan, I guess we're all connected.

If you ask me, all the scandinavian countrys should be united. Perhaps under the Danish crown prince and his lovely Mary Donaldson! (which would undoubtably be much better than our weak, looser crown prince Haakon and his "porn-princess" Mette Marit... ) Thus we would actually be a self sufficient "mini superpower" combining our industry, oil, gas, forestry, fishing and food production.

This would of course mean that most of our politicians would loose much of their selfserving, egocentric power, so I guess it'll never happen...

Erik D.

ErikD

You are the only Norwegian I heard expressing any ideas about a new union

Were shall the capital be located? I suggest Copenhagen or Malm�

Cheers
/JOHAN

Those locations are fine by me! If it was put in Oslo, we'd just screw things up!


You'd be suprised how many Norwegians think the same as I do when it comes to uniting the scandinavian countrys. I know of many. The problem is that few dare to express their views openly in our nationalistic, socialist country... That such a union would benefit us when the oil runs out is simply ignored.

Erik D.

What a fine idea you have there guys, just take us with ya ( maybe not skandinavian country but the blood sure is) and we have a pretty far reacing empire there!

We could get rid of the EU and their stupid bans and shoot all the lead we want!!!

We really need some new politicians here ! The stupid bastards banned us to hunt our most popular hunting birds, the Rock Ptarmagan and the president of the senate want�s to bann us to hunt mallards becuse they are beutiful???

Please do this!!
Regards Ben
Iceland

Erik.... Think again...!

If everybody liked hunting, how much land would there be for us to hunt on?

In the discussion about Finland, Sweden and war, don�t forget that during the Thirty Years War in the 17th century, the swedish elite troops were finnish: the Hakkapelits. They were used for the hardest tasks, which they mostly fulfilled successfully.

Without the finnish endurance against the Soviet during the Winter War, we would have had to have the Soviet as neighbour or would have had to fight against it - or have had to be a parts of it. We owe them a great gratitude!

Fritz

I don't think the EU has anything to do with a lead ban, but some European countrys are trying to create a "better" world by banning lead ammo. In Holland it started some 8 years ago when lead shotshells were forbidden for all hunting purposes. At the end of 2004 it will be illegal to use (or possess) lead shotshells for any shooting including clayshooting.
I hope they won't take a next step, in banning lead hunting bullets, but I'm not very pleased with the example set by the Swedish governement.