Hi: I am asking this here because i think most of the experience will be on this forum. How is the performance of RWS ammo eg. conepoint, H mantle etc on game animals? Thank's Dan

I use TIG, TUG, H-MANTLE and the CONE POINT RWS bullets.
Their bullets are not made to hold 80%+ of there weight like most but rather have the first portion come apart creating a shrapnel wound with the hard base portion of the bullet to create the channel and break bone.

Thank You Ozhunter. I got a big supply for 7x57R Brno combo and didn't want to try them without some idea how well they work Dan

I have used mostly H-Mantle 173 gr and Cone Point RWS in my two 7x57. They are very different bullets in my experience. The H-Mantle works exactly like ozhunter said, always exiting but doing extensive damage. Great, if not the best bullet for the 7x57 and Red Deer! The Cone Point is more like a normal soft point bullet or perhaps more like the Hornady Interlok bullets. Very good but not as good in all circunstances as the H-Mantle. Anyway, at the 7x57 velocities it works OK.
PH

Ah! The Cone Point I used is the 162 gr weight one.
PH

I've used RWS .284" bullets in a 7x57R & 7mm Rem Mag with good results - both the 162 grain (Kegelspitz or Cone Point) and the 177 gr. TIG (Torpedo Ideal Geschoß or Torpedo Ideal Bullet).

The 162 gr. Kegelsptiz is a bullet that I could easily compare with Hornday bullet performance and I've used them in the 7x57R. Once my supply is gone I'm certainly NOT going to run out and purchase another batch. Not that they're bad bullets it's just there are other bullets available of equal perfomance for alot less money.

On the other hand the .284" 177 gr. TIG's are another kettle of fish. Great bullet even at their exhorbitant prices. I lucked out and purchased a large qualtity many years ago. They are fantastic bullets offering premium pefromance at both the subdued velocity level of the 7x57R and from the 7mm Rem Mag for which they are my bullet of choice.

Are most Euro rifle in 7mm barreled with a faster twist than the typical American one in 10?

Euros seem to tend to shoot heavier bullets than the ones we do, at least that's what I get out of it.

Yes, indeed the Cone points open up like your typical soft.
I use the 127grn cone point from my 6.5x57 for game such as Fallow Deer and wild pig with excellent results.
The 7mm 162grn TIG's work similar and would be a good option if your after a flatter trajectory and not after heavy game otherwise the 173grn H-Mantle's or 177grn TIGs would work better.

I used to have a .270 Heym which really liked the 130 grain RWS standard soft points, Teilmantel?

The ony problem was, from my experience on Red Deer Stags and Hinds, they were rather soft. They expanded too much, often 'coming apart'.

While they did not cause so much blood shot meat as the Nosler ballistic Tips, game dealers did not like them as they left a snow storm / paper weight toy dispersed 'cloud' of lead core and copper jacket particles in the carcass. Sounds like a contradiction, but there you are.

I have experienced similar problems with Speer grand Slam 165 grain .30-06. None the less, the afore mentioned bullets all killed like a lightning strike.

In contrast, the Blaser CDP Nosler Partition heads in their 130 grain 270 cartridges were rather 'hard' and tended not to open up very much, whether at 70 yards or 130, 140 yards. I only used them for one season.

The typical ranges were from 70 yards to 120 < 150 yards on broadside / angled heart lung shots when I observed carcass damage.

In my experience - what I have used myself, Norma soft points worked well. I shot with a Scottish stalker who used a 7x57 and circa 140 grain RWS cone points. He swore by them and had great terminal performance on Red Stags and Hinds, with excellent accuracy.

The maximum body weights, on the hoof, are generally 16.5 stone (231 pound, 104.8 kilos) for stags and 10.5 stone (147 pounds, 66.7 kilos) for hinds on the open hill in the Scottish Highlands.

My reperto is very fresh....this morning I've shota t about 70 meters a wild boar of 60 kg with my blaser K95 cal 7x65R. I used the RWS KS 123 grains.
Was a very clean shot: the boar died immediately on his feet. I've used this type of ammo for 11 years and I've shot many red and roe deer, fallow boar with very good result. The KS works very well for all the medium size animal. Of course is a soft point bullet so you must shoot properly avoid the biggest bones on the big animals like red deer. The only problem is, if she meet a bone, she destroy a bit the meat and this is another reason for avoid the bones. For bigger animals like eland, kudu, caribou, wildebeest, I've used the TM 177 gr or the Tig 177 ever with very good results.

I had not heard a lot of good press about Blaser's CDP ammo either.

I really like the new Barnes TSX with it's tunsten core, copper jacket, and synthetic point.

I just haven't figured out the load for the rifles I am going to use it in. 340, 25-06, 7mm Mag, and 7mm-08, and 280.

Further to my comments about RWS and other bullets.

I mentioned the other bullet makes performance for comparison purposes.

The problem I had with the Speer Grand Slam 165 grain heads was similar to the Nosler Ballistic Tip heads: carcass bruising, blood shot meat. While I never recovered the bullets / bullet parts, I rarely do unless there is fragmentation, the effect on the carcass was similar.

Due to the bruising issue, many Scottish Estates will not let you use Ballistic Tips on their deer. The stalker where I shoot uses Federal ammunition in his .270 and is well pleased with them.

I think if you use the better quality manufacturer's ammunition and use bullets designed for Whitetail deer and Proghorn antelope, if American manufactured, you will obtain the required performance. Step up a 'grade', to "tougher" bullets and you can have problems at longer ranges (circa 200+ yards) when the velocity drops off.

This has been my experience with Hornady 225 grain heads in my .338-06. I am now trying Barnes TSX 210 grain heads in my .338-06. The higher velocity achievable in my .338-06, and the hollow point design, will hopefully achieve the desired expansion. If this does not work, I will try Sierra 215 grain heads.

Rob,

I have shot a few animals with the 225 Grain bullet in the 338 Winchester. I just received some 225 Grain accubonds from Nosler for my new 340 Weatherby, 338 Win, and a possible 338-06 rifle I am thinking of purchasing.

Let me know how your 210 Grain bullets work, I have never liked lighter bullets in any 338. I don't know what the twist is in your rifle, but all of mine have really like heavier projectiles of at least 225, and one rifle a Remington Custom KS mountain rifle I had only liked 250s and up.

I am a big fan of the 338 bore rifles, and 8mm, and 30, and 7mm, and 257, and 9.3. I have a few favorites.

The difference between the 338-06 and 338 Win isn't much. When in doubt Barnes bullets work, even at longer ranges. The new Accubond is about halfway between the Ballistic tip and the partition in toughness, it might hold together better.

I had thought about trying the Lapua naturalis, but I had also heard it was fairly inaccurate in most of the rifles tested.

As Gerry and Adam said, just to add that quite some reports on EVO bullet have been noted lately - bullet acts like Norma's Oryx or Woodleigh's soft.

P.S. Just a note on CDP - I don't know where all the bad publicity came from - IMO it is a great TOUGH bullet quite similar to A-frame and should be used accordingly - best when used on toughest game like stags, big boars and bears.

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Originally posted by mouse93:
As Gerry and Adam said, just to add that quite some reports on EVO bullet have been noted lately - bullet acts like Norma's Oryx or Woodleigh's soft.

P.S. Just a note on CDP - I don't know where all the bad publicity came from - IMO it is a great TOUGH bullet quite similar to A-frame and should be used accordingly - best when used on toughest game like stags, big boars and bears.

I agree but have to say that Oryx delivers more energy to the body than EVO.
Sice I've tested RWS and Norma I can tell that Norma is much better. With their Oryx and Vulkan you can drop down anything with good cal. choice. In 8x57, 30-06, 308, 9,3mm they proven themselves as a better ammo.

CDP is a great bullet but too expensive. You can have the same result with GROM,A-frame and Partition bullets as a cheaper option.

IMO ID/ TIG is the best rws bullet. Used it extensively in 7x57R, 7x64, 7x66 vom Hofe and 7x75R vom Hofe.
Conepoints are quite brutal.
One thing about geco ammo (=cheap rws brand loaded with normal softpoints): If you want to keep your dog(s) in action then go for it!

If you are using RWS factory loads in a hot climate be careful. I had my 30-06 completely locked up and had to hammer the bolt open with two pieces of wood. The primer had flowed into the firing pin and extractor holes and showed all the classic signs of an overload.
Test fired on a frosty cold morning there were no problems, but in a northern Australian afternoon in 105 to 115 degree heat they were dangerous. I tried one more when the temperature dropped to 85 degrees and could open the bolt by hand with difficulty. Something of a problem when the nearest ammunition is 200 miles away.
If it happened in Africa it would be a disaster.
Flamethrower

I love RWS ammunition. I use nothing but 123gr Cone Points in my 7x57. They are accurate and effective on anything I've had occasion to shoot here in the UK.

I am set up with the 180 grain RWS UNI classic in my 308, hopefully it will give good performance on fallow does and mouflon rams the 3rd week of November.

Thanks for the advice, if I like them I noticed that Triebel has them on their website.

Fresh - TIG(ID classic) .30/06 - fired at stag broadside at 30m - logged under the hide on the exit side:

7x64 - EVO - shot at red calf (45kg - gutted) distance 30m steep down - entry on shoulder - exit at belly - bullet found in the ground: