James, i to am interested as to how the 7-08 kicks ass over the .308?

im not too sure but i guess 140grn ??
im afraid i need a bit bit more help with this decission ie (which cal)
sorry guys
ill have a chat with my nearest gun smith
Steve kershaw = top man
http://www.stevekershawfirearms.co.uk/index.html

If its 140grns then its a no brainer, 6.5 of some discripton

But i cant have 6.5 for pig

chapster, why?

ive asked north york police and 270 minimum ??
im might be wrong or they might ?,

chapster1,
perhaps the 270 "kicks ass" over the 6.5mm, or perhaps James Johnston is the FLO for north yorks police..

On a more serious note, I have heard that there has been guidance on the minimum caliber for boar,but if you can put forward an argument for one of the 6.5's then I think you should be able to acquire a 6.5mm for boar..
Everyone automatically thinks of the 6.5x55 when we talk about 6.5 although an extremely capable caliber not one that FLO's might approve. There are several 6.5's out there that will for want of a better word "kick ass" over the 270.
The 6.5 has a better bullet selection than the 270 and a better BC..

regards
griff

my 264(6.5)kicks ass

quote:

Originally posted by griff:
chapster1,
perhaps the 270 "kicks ass" over the 6.5mm, or perhaps James Johnston is the FLO for north yorks police..

On a more serious note, I have heard that there has been guidance on the minimum caliber for boar,but if you can put forward an argument for one of the 6.5's then I think you should be able to acquire a 6.5mm for boar..
Everyone automatically thinks of the 6.5x55 when we talk about 6.5 although an extremely capable caliber not one that FLO's might approve. There are several 6.5's out there that will for want of a better word "kick ass" over the 270.
The 6.5 has a better bullet selection than the 270 and a better BC..

regards
griff

my 264(6.5)kicks ass

Griff,

Now you have got the idea......

First of all I'm a beginner to this and so have little experience or knowledge. However, despite this, I hope some will forgive a general observation.

It would seem to me that all calibres involve a compromise of some form and it also seems that some people have a particular liking for certain calibres. My experience of other things in life seems to demonstrate that, often, the most shiney "go faster" things tend to attract a loyal following but tend to be the most compromised in general terms. I suppose people love them just because they are "interesting" or "quirky" and I fully understand that.

As a beginner I went with a 308 precisely because it is boring and common as muck. I don't favour 308 over anything else nor do I have any particular love for it in itself but I do think it will get the job done with any deer I'm likely to meet and inexpensive ammo is available to help me practise on the range as much as possible. If you like I've bought a VW Golf over a Ferrari or a Land Rover and while it doesn't do the extremes as well as the other two it does the general day to day boring stuff at least as well as them. As someone new to the sport with no strong feelings for any calibre that is probably the best I could ask for.

However, this is not to say that everyone need follow the practical route that I have taken and it is quite reasonable and allowable to prefer something more exotic or less common. In fact such an approach should be encouraged as it works to the benefit of us all and gives us all a huge choice of calibres any one of which will do our job well but will also bring with it a range of compromises.

With that in mind I would encourage everyone to choose the calibre they would like to shoot. If you've been shooting a 243 for a while then maybe you want something a wee bit different or more obscure? In my view that is as good a reason as any to pick up something else and to get fun and enjoyment from your choice.

With that in mind I'd say all the calibres discussed kick ass and, within the legal and licensing framework of course, you should go for the one that will give you most pleasure.

James
So it is my objective statements that are wrong, but the technical facts about the 308 Win is right?
Right, or am I still wrong?

About reds and windy hillsides, we have lots of them as well here where I live.
Same goes for high mountain rain deer hunting.
If one miss the game, it is usually the hunter to blame and not the cartridge/caliber.

Back to the original question, I still think I would go for the 308 Win spanning from cw to red.
But I would not by any means disqualify any of the other calibers mentioned.

Chapster,

Steve is building my 260 at the moment. Say hi to him from me if you go to the workshop.

One thing to remember is not to get bogged down in all the minutae for each calibre, or any of the BR stuff.

the 260 will kill piggies fine. contrary to popular belief they aren't bullet proof, especially when stalked UK style where shot placement is easier to guarentee.

Rgds,
K

Cheers FB and all,
the 260rem which cases are you using or will be ?
over this weekend ive talked to a few people and all but 1 said go 260,
Whats the details of your 260 from steve ?
cheers chapster

You need to try and be logical and think of your needs in total when selecting rifles.

If you're using a moderator you need to reduce action length to allow as long a barrel as possible for the same overall rifle length.

That means a choice of 243, 260, 7mm08 and 308 (plus if you're feeling adventurouse 338 federal and 358 winchester)

Any of them will work very well. The 243 will show a much greater velocity loss when you chop the barrel.

IMHO 7mm08 is a great choice.

Although Caorach considers himself inexperienced I believe he's summed up as well as anyone could do on this one.

For shooting in the UK any of the mainstream calibres is as good as another. All you need to do is pick one and learn how it shoots in terms of trajectory and get on with it.

That said I would feel a bit undergunned going up against reds with a .243 otherwise pick whatever you fancy. My vote would go to a .308 - it's more than capable of taking shots up to 300 yds by simply holding over before you need to call on a specialist 'scope with dial up, is versatile and can be used with bullet weights in the 7-08 range as well as heavier ones if the need arises and will kill anything you'll come across in the UK with ease. As far as I can tell the only area it falls down in is if you would ever want to take it to France.

Regards,

Tim

Chapster,

I'm using Nosler Brass. It is tough to get hold of here and expensive when you do, (£1 a piece). Heads on the other hand are easily available. I'm going to the states in a couple of weeks so I'm hping to get some brass out there if possible.

What 1894 says is valid. How many deer do you shoot each year and what are they?are you looking at shooting each year?

I picked the 260 because I wanted a 243 with a bit more clout, given I already have a 308. and I wanted a non military calibre that could deal with my plans to hunt abroad.

The 260 specs I settled on are

Short stainless fluted Lawton Action
Standard sporter barrel by lothar Walther 19"
Laminate Stock
Rem700 Bottom metal and workings
Probably a Custom ASE Mod
Jewel Trigger

Sill to decide on the mounts and Scope to go on it, But I would think I'll put my 3-12x50 swaro on there for now and see how I get on.

If your aim is to have just one additional rifle then the higher bullet weights of the 7-08 gives you a choice of two different tools between that and the 243. If on the other hand you are like me where you like to keep buying guns that you "REALLY NEEEED!!!" then either will work as you'll just end up buying the other later!!

Of course I go back to what I said beffore. Look at the specifications you want on the rifle before getting hung up on calibres.

Rgds,
K

cheers yet again

quote:

Although Caorach considers himself inexperienced I believe he's summed up as well as anyone could do on this one.

very true
FB how much is the 260 brass ? £1 per case
i have a friend thats going to the shot show ill ask hi, what he can do

Chapster,

Nosler Brass is £1 per case, less a couple of pennies IIRC. Remington brass is cheaper but a few people told me it isn't as good. I dont know as I'm new to all this, but I just went for the best one I could get my hands on.

Norma aso make brass but they will only ship in wholesale volumes, and so it isn't available to retail in this country yet. The thing is though that if you can get hold of 100 pieces then you will be ok for eveything you want to do. You also have the option of resizing 7-08, 243Win and 308win brass, but then I ave two of those rifles already so I didn't want to end up with a chance of confusion.

Gunrunner got me brass within the week so it is just a case of price, unless you have a cheaper source abroad.

FB

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arild Iversen:
James
So it is my objective statements that are wrong, but the technical facts about the 308 Win is right?
Right, or am I still wrong?

QUOTE]

See, now you'r getting there!!! Right!

Hi All

I recently obtained Norma 7-08 brass from Midway UK for the Sako, and I am using Nosler 260 brass in the rebarreled Tikka 595. Previously used Lapua .243 necked up to .260 and Lapua .308 necked down to 7-08.

No discernable difference to date in the end results, they all work fine.

I guess you spotted my choices in this debate but just to confuse the issue I have a 6.5x55 on its way shortly.

ATB

T260

Tikka260 did any cases split when you necked up 243 to .260 ?
and what did you use to do the prosess ?
thanks and welcome to the forum

I can assure you that the 260 Rem puts Sika hinds and stags on the grass very quickly.
So far the only deer I've had walk after being hit with a 129 grain Hornady hand load took four slow paces and them flopped over.
I've been chopping and changing over the last few years twixed the 260 and the 7mm-08 and have settled on the 260. I can't see any difference in the performance. In rifles by the same manufacturer the 260's recoil is a little less and I like the extra bit of metal around the bore in barrels with the same profile. The 260 does seem to bark a bit more than the 7mm-08 but not as much as the horrid 270.
chapster1 I hope you have some fun with your 260.

cheers oldun itis the the 260 i have decided to go for tikka t3 varmint all being well,
depends on funds as work is very poor, and the woman wants other things

Chapster,

It looks ike the 260Rem is getting quite a following here with yourself, me and Pete getting rifles in the calibre, along with all the others that seem to already have them.

Rgds,
FB

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
Chapster,

It looks ike the 260Rem is getting quite a following here with yourself, me and Pete getting rifles in the calibre, along with all the others that seem to already have them.

Rgds,
FB

Was at a BDS meeting last night, of the 20 something there, at least 6 have one or more 260's. There was also a gunsmith that dose alot of re-barreling jobs there, he said that he picked up 6 barrles from Border barrels yesterday, 4 260's, 1 243 and 1 308. He says he now puts on 3 260's out of every 5 rifles he re-barrels, at least.

I get my 7mm 08 on Monday. Given that it arrives in the thick of my doe cull it might be a while before I can do much with it.

I note that the cannelures on my 154gr hornadies and 150gr core lokts make the COL a little long unless the throat is as long as the mag box on an M700.

[QUOTE] [A .243 is not up to shooting sika hinds or stags unless you have a very good dog to fetch all the runners you will get
/QUOTE]

DJM tell that to Brass Thief and wait for the reply you get! I have a 6.5x55 and a 308.
I have stop using the 308 on my ground (Fallow and Sika) beacuse it was no need for the half of it! but will never ever be without 1 as it is the BEST calibre in the wold ever
I love the 6.5 as well it has enough punch for big Reds and flat shooting aswell I have never shot boar but I think a 140gr Nosler Partion in the 6.5 would do the job fine! as would a 150gr sst in the 308 (but could be very messy! )

Works ok for me! Try hitting something they really need!
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