This is from the Political crater, for your information and hopefully action:

Stuttgart in Germany, will be the first town, take for every gun a tax of 100-150.-€ for every year, starting 1.1.2011. When this will be in every other town and county in Germany, it´s the end of the legal gun owning. I haven´t the money to buy every year nearly 2000.-€ to this comunistic bandits

Martin

quote:
Originally posted by DaMan:
Ist die CDU völlig verrückt geworden?


Ja, mindestens in Stuttgart.

For all you helpfull guys out there who'd like to express your discontent to the mayor of the city that supplies the world with flashy automobiles and has still several US military bases, here are the addresses of these two "gentlemen":

Michael Foell, responsable for finances
CDU Kreisverband Stuttgart
E-Mail foell@cdu-stuttgart.de

The CDU Stuttgart central mail account: cdu@region-stuttgart.org

Here, the main author of this crime against our rights:

Dr. Wolfgang Schuster
Oberbürgermeister (Lord mayor of Stuttgart)

Rathaus Marktplatz 1
70173 Stuttgart

Telefon: +49-711 / 2162554
wolfgang.schuster@cdu-region-stuttgart.de

In case you want to complain to an even higher level, Mr. Stepfan mappus is the governor of the State of Baden-Württemberg: Stefan.Mappus@cdu.landtag-bw.de.

Let them please know how you feel and forward their mail adresses to your shooting and hunting friends, too! Any help is highly appreciated!

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Would you guys mind stopping your pissing contest for a couple of minutes and focus again on the political content of this threat?

If this succeeds in Stuttgart, first other German cities and then other European countries will follow. I have learned that this initiative was born out of an agreement of several german city councils, Stuttgart was choosen as a pilot project.

If this gains the dynamic development they hope for, they have generated a very elegant way not only to raise more tax money but also to practically outlaw guns for all but the police, the military, game wardens and the rich.

Eastern Germany 2.0 I guess...

Thus, I was hoping that some of you might pick this issue up and send these dumbos a polite or not so polite letter. You might even feel the need to forward their mail adresses to all of your freedom loving friends. I did this already.

Thank you very much in advance for listening.

Outrageous!

London might be next...

London or any other British city doesn't have the power to impliment such a tax...

I'm surprised Stuttgart does, and I would do some of my own checking before believing ewhat I read in the Crater...

Regards,

Peter

It is true. We are talking Euro 100 per year. And this is from the German conservationist party. Bottom line: they try to punish their prime citizens. It is desperate because they have no glue: if you maintain German hunting ethics EVERYBODY has at least a minimum of 6 rifles. This law hits of course the blue-collar workers. That disappaearing mayor will be remembered for a long time in his attempt to achieve Euro 1.5mn.What a desperate move.

Good luck fighting this one!

Frans

Here mayors can impose taxes on a limited amount of matters, but no way on gun possession (until now). I'm really upset an worried anyway for what is happening in Stuttgart...frigging politicians!!

Best of luck with the fight on this one! We may be headed the same direction over here soon.

When the politicians can't disarm us outright, they start "coming in the back door".

Good Luck!!

Bob

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if you maintain German hunting ethics EVERYBODY has at least a minimum of 6 rifles.

Can you tell us a bit more about this? Is this for different classes of game?

No, you can still have as many rifles and shotguns as youwant as long a sthey are stored proper- and securely.

This is of course a major headache for the do- and feel-gooders who are convinced that a person becomes much more dangerous if he owns 2 rifles instead of one.

Damn friggin' politiians, indeed!

Sent the mayor an email telling him, I will never buy a Porsche again

Thank you very much, bobby,

you might wish to send a copy to the Porsche AG as well. Let them know what you thing about the evil attitude and hostility towards their customers of Stuttgart's city government.

Believe me, this mail will reach Mr. Macht's desk, even more so if he receives similar mails from other countries and from their biggest market USA. Ain't no better leverage...

Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG
Porscheplatz 1
D-70435 Stuttgart
Tel: (+49) 0711 911-0

Michael Macht (CEO)

E-Mail: info@porsche.de

I send him my email!
I hope it wont spread over Germany

Will you please provide substantive documentation that this is correct?

If I can confirm the veracity I will make significant noise.

Auslanders can and should not interfere with local politics, but letters of intent do not constitute interference.

Thank you

Hello Oxon,

if you google "Stuttgart Waffensteuer [gun tax] you get lost of links to newspaper articles like this one:

Südwestpresse: "Stuttgart Gun Tax"

This article even states that they expect that other cities will follow suit.

However, and there we can notice that this issue is not yet very well known abroad, the only English language links I find are from gun boards like AR.com.

This fire, if we do not succeed to step it out at an early stage, will for sure spread to other German and I fear even European cities. It is just a very efficient tool to eliminate gun ownership without the need to change ownership laws.

May big cities here have governments controlled by the Social Democrats and Greens. These politically active urbanites are usually very much against gun owner ship.

I do appreciate your caution not to get involved into foreign politics, this is usually the better alternative. However, in this case you can just voice yoir concern as a consumer.

Our adversaries have proven many times that this kind of leverage works pretty well.

We appreciate very much any help we can get, like I said, this issue can have huge consecuences if not dealt accordingly.

You guys gotta kick this one in Azz and Hard!

i'm speakless .... that's my email sent expressing my disgust and intention to never buy a german car again.
The wife is just about to buy a new Touareg too

Well, with friends like that who needs enemies.

What a crock, soooo, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, start taxing each golf club, or bicycle, or soccer ball 100 smackers a year too

Apparently they are getting flooded with protest mail, not only from German hunters and shooters but also from overseas. For sure they did not expect that kind of reaction, the protest has just started to spread and the formerly conservative CDU in the whole state is getting a lot of fire.

I thank very much all of you who voiced your protest.

DUK,

Are F.A.C.E doing anything to help?

Regards,

Peter

Hello Pete,

I admit that I do not know this. Do you think that they would?

DUK,

As the major hunters organisation in Europe , I would have thought they would fight this for you..

For those not familiar withthis organisation this is their website: FACE

Regards,

Peter

OK, email is on it's way. Let's wait and see if they can lend a helping hand.

Thanks for your valuable sugggestion!

Hmmmmm.....
In the next future, in 3-5years, Germany will get a total gun ban. Everything, handguns, rifles and shotguns will be forbidden. Especial for target shooters and collectors. Hunters must store the guns and ammo at policestation.
At the moment, the legal gun owners are the public enemy #1 in Germany. Every week, there´re new bad news about us and the futur of gun owning. Since this week, the highest German court must occupy with a complaint, that the gun law is against the German constitiution. "The gun law and the rights of legal gun owners, especial target shooters, is over the human life and the public safey, especial the the life of children."

Questions?

Too many parties are against us. The greatest problem is, the German gun owner haven´t any great association, like the NRA in the USA. The many different associations are argue with one another. Hunters against marksmen, hunters against hunters and marksmen against marksmen. So, our enemies have a light play with us.



I have so many, wonderful and rare rifles. I spent a lot of money for my hobby. I don´t want give my guns away, with the knowing, the guns went to scrap. At the moment I´m very depress.

Martin

Martin,

if I read your post it makes me feel that we have already lost the war against the antis.

BULLSHIT THAT!

We might, in the very worst case, have lost a tiny battle!

Of course, if we surrender before the first shot is fired we'll loose everything for sure.

Therefore, we need to get up and fight, each and everyone of us!

After all, we are still Germans, remember?

Hello Martin,
I fully support the opinion of DUK – we still may loose at the end even when we fight, but we have already lost if we surrender now!
Although it is fully understandable that you are depressed at the first moment, you have to overcome this quick.
Try to be a part of those who are working against this tax, visit the different web sides which are fighting and get updated, get a list to collect addresses of people against this tax and visit you next shooting club, hunting party and get those people there to list and undersign themselves in the list.

By the way your picture that we fighting against each other is not true and fair for the moment since sometime most of us legal gun owners have understood the lesson.

Robert

Also very, very important: Get people interested in teh shootuing sports, take them to the range and show them how much fun this is!

Being part of the EU, there is always a risk that an anti-gun decision taken by an important member like Germany can cause a similar wave through the entire community. Disarm honest citizen as well as abolish hunting is a main way to enforce the leftism do-good and conformism.

Next city to vote on a gun tax: Iserlohn, an initiative from the former Communist Party, today called "Linkspartei":

Iserlohn . Der Finanzausschuss wird in seiner Sitzung am Mittwoch auf Antrag der Fraktion Die Linke entscheiden, ob von der Finanzverwaltung eine Satzung erarbeitet werden soll, mit der der Besitz von Schusswaffen steuerpflichtig wird. Iserlohn wäre damit Vorreiter in NRW.

To be continued...

I sent one for you. Outrageous!

Here's what I sent.....

"Friends in Germany have made me aware of your outrageous plan to tax German gunowners 100 Euro per annum for each gun that they own. Why not tax soccer balls and bicycles while you are at it? You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for proposing such an odious and oppressive tax that obviously has nothing to do with responsible taxation for providing public services and everything to do with disarming law abiding citizens. My family immigrated to the United States from Germany a couple of generations ago and politicians such as yourselves make me very glad that they chose to do so."

No, No. I don´t surrender.
I wrote letters, be in three associations, have discussions with other citizens and our enemies, bought a new rifle this year, a new scope, two expensive vernier sights and reloading equipment for nearly 1000.-€. I love shooting and I´m pleased about the next competions. My dad is gun smith and I´m working every saturday in his store and we have a lot of fun with building rifles.

But I have a good look about the hunters and target shooters at our region. Many hunters and shooters surrender. Too many citicans in Germany are against us and so I mean we have not the best chance.


Martin

quote:

Originally posted by DUK:
Next city to vote on a gun tax: Iserlohn, an initiative from the former Communist Party, today called "Linkspartei":

Iserlohn . Der Finanzausschuss wird in seiner Sitzung am Mittwoch auf Antrag der Fraktion Die Linke entscheiden, ob von der Finanzverwaltung eine Satzung erarbeitet werden soll, mit der der Besitz von Schusswaffen steuerpflichtig wird. Iserlohn wäre damit Vorreiter in NRW.

To be continued...

DUK
the latest news what I have seen about Iserlohn is that Iserlohn has voted against the gun tax with 20 no and 19 yes!

http://www.wildundhund.de/438,6455/
Robert

Amazing, the usually leftist Green Party members did not vote in favour of the Gun Tax.

Maybe there is still hope, after all?

Latest news on the Stuttgarter gun tax:

Based on information’s taken from the attached article, the decision is postponed to end of September as there is no majority found before the summer vacation!

http://www.stuttgarter-nachric...60-55d08c236455.html
Robert