The EU wants to tighten gun laws for hunters, collectors and marksmen continue after the attacks in Paris.
For three days there´s an online Pedition and so far only shameful 60,000 have signed.
https://www.change.org/p/counc...-legal-gun-ownership

Martin

Yes its a treat against Swedish and Finnish semiauto hunting rifles with more than 2 round mags and sport handguns.

A ban on internet sale, phone sale, letter conversation before sale between private persons,no big brains behind this.

It´s the next step to disarm the european citizens. Great power is here Mrs. Malmström.
She has often proposed a general gunban for the EU.

We here in Germany have the problem that we already are not agree among themselves. We are 1.5 million gun owners with about 5 million registered weapons. The approximately 400,000 hunters spread over dozens of organizations that do not also agree. The greates shooter association, the DSB with more than 1 million members, would prefer to only shoot air rifle or maximum 22lr. Stay only the whole smaller organizations. The policy have easy game, especially with small passages and new guidelines. Who does not cooperate, just lose everything. Today already, a misdemeanor lead in road traffic in the loss of the permit.

Burglers dont even steal hunting rifles in sweden its not worth the extra police attention then they cant get enuogh money for them.

In Germany this is no different. Although the break-ins are increasing, unfortunately, but weapons aren´t usually stolen. The burglars don´t bother to open any weapons safes, take with what lying around.
And the same is with terrorists.....

In Italy the reduction on round in mags is passed, except for Wild boar hunting. I had to put on my possess declaration the mag of my Rubin Schmidt

Maximum round in the mag is now 5 rounds for sportive guns and wild boar hunting guns, 2 rounds for all the other auto loader hunting guns, guns with black rifles appearance prohibited for hunting.

Here in Germany for reperting rifles are no restrictions about the magazin capacity. We have only restrictions for semi-auto rifles. For hunting pupose 2+1 rounds and for target shooting are only 10-round magazines allowed.
But that's not it. Each country in the EU has its peculiarities in the local gun laws. It's not all great, so not everything is permitted, as well as in the US everywhere.
The aim here´s, although you may not make the Muslims under general suspicion, but all legal gun owners, all dealers and gunsmiths. All the weapons industry. The politicians flit before men, with stricter laws Paris would not happend.
Would you go every few years to idiot test?. No advertising of weapons, no longer selling through magazines or on the Internet. I need only remind you here in DE on the problems, since the propellant powder is one of the explosives and must be declared accordingly.
The ultimate goal is, no weapons in citizens hands! And in 10-20 years that will come. If not last all gun owners across the EU stand together!

I've never heard about terrorists with hunting rifles.

Dont think That Will ever happend in norway. Because we need to Hunt to keep the population of deers and mosses down, because off traffic accidents and So on. You talking a lot of animals. And What is to happend to animals in europe? No Hunting?

No, the hunt will always need. But you can pick up with counted ammo your rifle at the police station. Just as the good citizens did in the GDR.
But in addition, Norway isn´t member of the EU...

Now it's semi automatics, next it will be bolt or lever, then single shot. Just look at Australia. I follow a German hunting forum, no doubt these guys have become sheep and will just follow along without protest.

Grizz

Stupid polititian its still possible to buy fertiliser and diesel much cheaper and better than gunpowder.
We have a 5+1 limit for semiauto hunting rifles you can buy a bigger mag for practice. I think sweden will ask for a exeption from the rules. 50000 rifles have to be bought by the government if they are banned(3000$ for a sauer 303 one day zero value the next). Its still posible in sweden to own submachineguns and assaultrifles for competition its mostly military or policeservicemen who are competing in thouse disiplines that would be banned.

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No, the hunt will always need. But you can pick up with counted ammo your rifle at the police station. Just as the good citizens did in the GDR.
But in addition, Norway isn´t member of the EU...

Yes, but the Norwegian politicians are more than happy to follow EU and all the madness that comes with that....

I fear the rights we as gun owners have today, will be gone, not today, but step by step.
First the semi auto will be taken away and so the bolt....then...
Same what happened here with the 50 BMG caliber. It is now legal to have for the owners of a pre ban gun, but you can not sell it. I fear the same will happened with semi autos, SOON!

Will EU last for 10 more years?

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t´s the next step to disarm the european citizens. Great power is here Mrs. Malmström.
She has often proposed a general gunban for the EU.

Yes, she's a real commie cunt.

Europe is heading towards war and they want to disarm the inhabitants.

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I fear the rights we as gun owners have today, will be gone, not today, but step by step.

Yes, I mean so to.
Here in Germany, politicans and especial the relevant administrative authorities have learnd, that a general gun ban isn´t easy to realize. So, since the last 10 years, they adopted dozens of new regulations that will spoil us our gun owning. It´s very easy to loose the permit. Convicted with a misdemeanor and 60 day rates as a penalty, and one is no longer reliable.
Tightening the rules of the gun storage, no heir privilege for guns, if no permit existed previously. This alone and the massive criminalization of "old" permit owners (permit befor 1972) has meant that for example alone in Bavaria the last 10 years nearly 1,000 tons of civilian guns were destroyd.
Currently it focuses you to the source, the reason for the weapons acquisition. Inactive shooters and hunters are forced to surrender weapons or to destroy the guns. Gun dealers getting always more new runs. Especially the gun will not be issued, but the sale will go to dealers, that don´t want the authorities. Everything will be destroyed, nothing is worthy of preservation. Even no large collectons. The story with the deactivated guns is already regulated rigorously here. Everything must be drilled and welded, tested by proof house with official certificate. The "Dummy" get a new number, noted in the central arms register, although you don´t nead a permit for it. The next step is currently to close all the old firing ranges. Befor 3 years now, we got new rules, without grandfathering.
Not even from the table the idea, that target shooters is to impose a centralized storage. Caliber, with great penetrating power, what that may mean, to forbid. etc......

I feel I have to make a comment on this subject, as I live in Ireland and we have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the whole of Europe.

Restricting the ownership and possession of sporting firearms in Europe will not make one little difference to the security situation in Europe on anywhere else for that matter.

The sporting firearms community in Europe are becoming the whipping boy once again for the failures of western governments including the USA and their international policies towards the problems in the Middl-East.

The five permanent members of the UN, Britain, USA, Russia, France and China have all flooded the world with military weapons and explosives in the misguided view that they are supporting their allies. Unfortunately your ally today often becomes your enemy tomorrow with the inevitable disastrous consequences for the innocent.

Instead of picking on genuine sportsmen and curbing their liberties in regard to firearm ownership they would be better served in applying a total ban on the exporting of
military weapons.

Of course, the result would be no revenue for their close associates in the arms industry, its much easier to pick on sportsmen and thereby give the impression that they are doing something to satisfy the media and general population.

No restrictions on sporting firearms will achieve anything regarding European security, the problem is in the Middle-East and that is where it should be resolved.

not sure if that bitch evn knows her own name....

Yup its the positions and bureaucrats at it again. In very few parts of Europe is it possible to legally own and obtain an AK47 or similar. Thats the weapon of choice for terrorists and gangsters.

Guns are pretty tightly controlled in the UK as well as most of Europe. Guns have to be kept securely and there is a reasonable degree of licensing which does mean that we have a very low number of domestic type crimes and shootings involving firearms. Its difficult for the scorned wife, husband, teenager to pick up a weapon and run amok.

For hunting, yes there are times when a semi auto may be useful - mostly to control recoil, but give me a double ejector and a well shaken cartridge bag and you can maintain a high right of fire all day long. Had four pheasants flushed towards me last week - bang bang at the first two, break gun and bang bang at the next - and four pheasants are still there for the next shoot. Lots of firepower doesn't not necessarily equal effectiveness and a high bag. In fact the the converse is probably true.

But politicians and beuracrats sadly never let facts get in the way of policy.

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Originally posted by Heym SR20:

give me a double ejector and a well shaken cartridge bag and you can maintain a high right of fire all day long. Had four pheasants flushed towards me last week - bang bang at the first two, break gun and bang bang at the next - and four pheasants are still there .

This looks like useful advice to terrorists in case of a semi-auto ban

Czech Republic:

We always had the gun license for 5 years. At the end of this period, you have to contact police, have paper from doctor and police will give you new one for next 5 years. Two years ago, they changed this period for 10 years.

But, we had a bad incident in February: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...%C3%BD_Brod_shooting

Mentally unstable man killed 8 people in restaurant with legally held pistol. Now, the period will be 5 years + "if your neighbor tells you are strange, the police can seize your guns etc.". It is dangerous because if you are hunter and neighbor is something like PETA member, he hates you and . . .

2+1 for semiauto hunting rifles and shotguns (actually, you can have 30 rounds magazine for same rifle to use on shooting range, but not for hunting)
no hunting with handguns
no limit for magazine capacity

But I am scary of the future.

Jiri

We had a mentaly unstabile man stabbing two friends of him and killing one with a bread knife, maybee we soon only could be able to by bakery sliced bread.

Nordic2: We had in the past also crazy woman driver killing many people at the bus station by truck. Maybe, it is a time to ban 4 axis trucks now and 3 axis in 2018 and so on ;-)

Jiri

And now? Slowly it takes savvy the stupidest, where the path goes to the entire civilian arms industry, the gunsmithing and of course the legal gun owning ...
https://www.all4shooters.com/e...ed-Kingdom-proposal/
On January 17, this will be decided by the European Parliament, I'll bet. And the losers will be, we target shooters, hunters, collectors and gunsmith! For the way to EUSSR!

Martin

In passing, in Europe are about 24 million illegal AK47 in circulation. In Marsailles you get one for 200 Euros....
Here in Germany, under 25 you need a medical test to get a permit. Not afterwards. Not yet ... So, look at these demands for this 5-year testing, is a danger that the appropriate doctors will judge rather negative for the gun owners.
Bottom line, it comes here just to disarmament, by all means ....

Of course..

The socialist EU want to disarm the people so they cannot fight againt the new Eurabia they are creating...

A few statements from member coutries:
http://legistelum.sk/images/me...imfname_10597711.pdf

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Originally posted by Big Bore Fan:
It´s the next step to disarm the european citizens. Great power is here Mrs. Malmström.
She has often proposed a general gunban for the EU.

We here in Germany have the problem that we already are not agree among themselves. We are 1.5 million gun owners with about 5 million registered weapons. The approximately 400,000 hunters spread over dozens of organizations that do not also agree. The greates shooter association, the DSB with more than 1 million members, would prefer to only shoot air rifle or maximum 22lr. Stay only the whole smaller organizations. The policy have easy game, especially with small passages and new guidelines. Who does not cooperate, just lose everything. Today already, a misdemeanor lead in road traffic in the loss of the permit.

One has to envy the US and the NRA. Europeans have been sheep for generations and it shows.

Grizz

Shit we will probably have 150000 illegal weapons if all this is going through.

Armed society is safe and polite society
Europe had its disarmed yoke around their neck for so long, it would take an act of God for any politician in Europe to grasp the significance of it
I'd say Fight or surrender especially with the Muslim invasion Europe has been dealing with since WW2
That's the only choices you guys over there have

Swedish department of defence say the new EU directiv would harm swedish civilian and military readyness and disaproves it completly. The directive would mean higher expense for training and developement of personel and metods then civilian organisations and companys cant be used.

How come Switzerland, with its variety of military weapons in the hands of the majority of its population and excluding the number of sporting firearms, is such a quiet and almost crime-free country compared to others?

It is a well known fact that the compulsory military service followed by standby reserve until the age of 45 or so foresees the conscript to keep his/her kit + weapon at home.

Maybe their upbringing and tutoring on the use of weapons and the respect that goes with it is reasonable cause to understand why this civilian army is so trusted.

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Originally posted by Big Bore Fan:
In Germany this is no different. Although the break-ins are increasing, unfortunately, but weapons aren´t usually stolen. The burglars don´t bother to open any weapons safes, take with what lying around.
And the same is with terrorists.....

Just saw an posted article on a German hunting forum about how supposedly easy it is to reactivate, deactivated full autos held by private citizens. Guy writing it was obviously out to lunch.

Grizz

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:

Just saw an posted article on a German hunting forum about how supposedly easy it is to reactivate, deactivated full autos held by private citizens. Guy writing it was obviously out to lunch.

Grizz

I can only speak for German regulations. All semi-auto "assaultlike" rifles must be built, that´s only with changing parts, it´s impossible to made a full auto. OK, everyone with technical anderstanding, like a gunsmith, and the technical equipment can "built" part´s for a full auto. But it´s forbidden. Like killing people....
The other are the deaktivated guns, wallhangers, here called "DEKO". This gun´s are destoyed. 10 bore-size drilled holes in the barrel, a weldet bolt throught receiver and chamber, and a with 45degrees abraded boltface. And it must be impossible to dissasemble the DEKO. To "aktivate" a Deko, you need a new barrel, a new receiver and a new bolt.... Also a complete new gun...


Martin

Bad news......
https://www.all4shooters.com/e...SED-LIBE-IMCO-FESAC/

Better news

http://firearms-united.com/201...inally-victory-libe/

Sounds good