Have a look under "Gunsmithing". I posted a thread with a reply from Blaser about the accident.


Erik D.

www.dunia.no
North Cape - Cape Agulas 2002/2003

Thanks, Eric. In the meantime, the German version of the letter (which diverges slightly, though in possibly important small details of formulation) has also been posted in German net.fora.

Regards, Carcano

Hola Carcano

Please could you tell me the right link to the german post fora.net or fora.de don't work .
Gracias

Daniel

Thank you for the link , 26 pages in the discussion on the R93 !!!in Germany you take it seriously .

Gracias

Daniel

here is a net translation service...not very good but for us non German speakers it is a little clearer on carcano`s post.What amazes me is they even published the serial number.

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Here of acres the latest news. Allegedly (!), this accident did

happen with factory ammunition.



From the German hunt newspaper of 16.01.04: Heavy accident with R 93





On Saturday, 10 January 2004, o'clock on the Schießstand Jakob

mountain (südlich of Koblenz) occurred a heavy accident with a r93

against 17.30.





Waffenhändler Albrecht hoof from Ingelheim with Mainz wanted to

einschießen a Repetierer after the repair of the sight: a Blaser R 93

in the caliber 300 Weatherby Magnum. For the Einschießen

ausschließlich factory ammunition was used.



With the fünften shot the catch was to the rear hurled. The thumb of

the right hand suffered a Trümmerbruch. Then the catch under the eye

withdrew in the yoke leg and at the Kiefer again.



The emergency surgeon was within kürzester time before place after

the basic supply the Schütze into a hospital after Koblenz was

brought. There the physician stated that the injuries were not

lebensgefährlich. Albrecht hoof is since then in stationärer

treatment.



The accident was taken up by the police and kriminalpolizei. Witnesses

are Ralf Helmich, gamekeeper in the district Jakob mountain, and

Jochem Klämbt, Schießstandaufsicht, as well as Birgit Helmich. The

Beweisgegenstände was seized. It concerns R 93 with the weapon number

9/36148. The purchase date is 25 July 2000. We will report more über

the further process of the case. �djz

Anyone know what the safety is on an R93 with a trigger jammed on fire. On a mauser or enfield etc the firing pin is blocked until the bolt is turned down and hence locked and safe.

I wonder if this R93 had the non stainless trigger subject to the recall?

Man, you sure are a piece of . . . work. Not only can't you be logical or objective, but you can't even be civil.

I do love the ignore function. It is indeed useful for screening out malicious and mindless blather.

mrlexma,

keep in mind, he is a sensible man on this issue - and quite correct by the way.

Best regards,
Stromberg

I respect your opinion, as it is expressed in a civil manner. Judgments of this kind may vary. What is safe enough for one man may not be safe enough for another.

My point is that no tool is, or should be required to be, foolproof. If that were the standard, then hammers and screwdrivers would be banned.

I will be interested to know whether this .300 Wby. Mag. ammunition was, in fact, loaded to such enormous pressures. As far as I know, this has not yet been conclusively established, but Blaser Jagdwaffen itself and Edmond's post have suggested that such was the case.

IF the ammunition was so overloaded, I would point out further that the published incident report indicates that five rounds were fired in this R93 prior to its failure. Since the rifle was being sighted-in at the time, it is probable that the rounds were fired in a short rather than long period of time. IF that in fact proves to be what happened, then I would not be worried in the least about the safety of the R93 rifle in careful and responsible hands.

I will be watching this case closely as more information is developed.

Gentlemen



I visit this forum because i enjoy exchanging information with others who have simular interest and have a good time. I guess that is why most of you are here, too?



There is not need to smear others. Behave nicely even if you disagree. If you want to pick a fight go to the political forum, which is the sand box of AR. What goes on in the political forum, stays in there



Cheers

/JOHAN

JOHAN,

I take it your comment is addressed in the plural for diplomatic reasons.

I could not agree more with your sentiment.

Some people are quite willing to say things on this forum that they would never say in a face to face conversation. The fear of a broken nose is a remarkable insult deterrent in a face to face encounter, isn't it?

So, on the internet, I have found it is best to ignore such people and not permit them to provoke me. As a wise man once said, if one wants to stay clean, then one shouldn't wrestle with swine.

Now, thanks to our considerate host and administrator, I can ignore them completely and focus instead on the contributions of those with something useful to say--and the inclination and ability to say it gracefully and well.

I will continue to watch this case with great interest.

Thanks.

mrlexma

Actually, the comment was adressed in plural because if get soo tired of insults, shit smearing, bashing etc. I don't mind pranks or friendly pinch We both know what kind of personas, creatures, beasts and troll's that prowls the forum, without mention names. I don't want the rest of the forum's to become like the political forums

I know that some of them would't express their feelings face to face in the same way. I must admit that the ignore button have helped me to dropp the adrenaline level considerably, I have a pretty short fuse...

Cheers
/JOHAN

Carcano 91



I have owned a R-93 and in my opinion it is a glorified toy. If there is anyone that feels offended by the quote, I'm sorry. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, other also has the right to disagree. Those who seems to get offended by are not blaser owners-in this case you I have corrected it. Actually, it was the genrous owner of this forum that expressed these opinions, not me I simply agreed with it



I don't represent any interest in the industry nor own's a product from the company. If you got a problem with member here, I suggest you solve in a friendly mannor. Don't try to involve me, please



Best Regards

/JOHAN

Gentlemen,

We tried an experiment here to see how the Blaser R93 disposes of excessive gases, and the only way we could safely try it is as follows.

We loaded a round with one of our own Walterhog bullet, using an extremely small charge of pistol powder. The idea was to get the bullet stuck in the barrel.

In any other action, one can open the bolt just as one would normally, as all the gases would have gone out of the gas relief port.

Sure enough, there was a blow back of gas as we opened the bolt.

This was done to settle an argument the boys had.

Saeed
Very interesting. Have you tried that experiment with other bolt rifles?
I would think that with any locked breech rifle the results would be the same, ie if there was enough pressure to expand the brass case, and the bullet sealed the bore the rifle would be sealed at both ends and there would be pressure in the bore.

N E 450 No2,

I've had bullets get stuck in the barrel of a number of rifles, but I have never had the gas come out with a load his and a slight jolt as in this rifle.

I am starting to get rather worried about the R93. We get a nu7mber of peopel come to our range to shoot their R93, and the number of misfires - due to operator falut - are far too many.

And all these are caused by them not closing the bolt properly. Luckily, the firing pin does go forward, but in most cases it never touches teh primer. In a few occasions, I have seen a slight dent in the primer.

Now we ask all who come to shoot with their R93 to make sure they push the bolt as far forward as it will go before attemting to fire it.

NE 450 No2: In most such cases where the bullet sticks the internal pressure is not high enough to prevent some spring-back of the brass (or completely expand it, for that matter). Hence the "seal" is probably never complete in the first place. If it were that high, the bullet could not have stopped in the barrel. Also, the gas volume is so small a shooter won't normally notice it venting from the action, if that is the direction it takes. In some cases, the barrel can be poor enough that some of the gas vents around the bullet in a wide spot of the bore. None of this is in defense of the Blaser. That was a frightening experiment, Saeed.

Just last month I had a bullet stick in the barrel of my Winchester push feed .270. I waited about 1 minute and then opened the action. The gas did escape with an audible hiss, but the bolt did not exert any rearward force that I could feel. Maybe the gas escaped through the hole in the ring of the action.
Two years ago a friend fired a shot at a �andu (ostrich like bird) and the bullet apparently got stuck in the barrel. He immediately fired another in the heat of the moment (don't ask). The barrel was blown to smithereens and the 3 others around him thought they had gone deaf. No one was injured and all the shrapnel went either forward, with a good part of the barrel, or sideways. He removed the mangled barrel, replaced it, and against all reason continuous to use the rifle to this day. A model 1909 Argentine Deutsch Waffen Und Munitions Fabriken.

Gentlemen,

They say a picture is worth a thousands words.

Well, here is a photo of the bullet we got out of the Blaser R93, next to one fired in my own 375/404.

The one on the right is the Blaser bullet.

Can you see any difference?

Saeed



Was the bullet of the correct diameter? The blaser barrel really have a wider lands, it also appears to engrave a bit deeper in the bullet than your barrel.



Soo, tell us about this years safari and Walthers blaser r-93 I guess the procedure will be the same as last year?



Cheers

/ JOHAN

It might be an optical effect, but appart from Johan's observations, the two rifling marks om the bullet seem to be different.
???

montero

JOHAN,

Yes, it appears the Blaser barrel is much tighter than our Dan Lilja barrel.

The bullets are the same diameter. I check every single one myself.

Walter will have to use a decent rifle for a change. My 375/404. He is busy practicing shooting a 375H&H right now to get use to the recoil!

What do you expect from someone who is so in love with a bloody Blaser

carcano91,

Would be kind enough to give us a translation of this article please?

Saeed,

in a short matter: This guy says it is just a construction fault if a barrel locked bolt system has no additional backup to prevent the bolt to be blown back to the face.
Also it makes no difference the barrel or the system was blown up first. The locking was opened in anyway.
ANd it makes no difference whether there is a fault in ammo, or whatever. It is just a construction fault not to have an additional lock of the bolt to get some other advantages like changing barrels with different calibres.

B. R.

OK then could be a design fault then Saeed , if some one for mistake load a 300 weatherby with Norma 201 instead of Norma MRP ( I dislike Norma cans all the same color with a label ) , you can have a fellow in your range with a bolt in the face ... actually too expensive to do a test , but should be done and filmed to have an answer where go a Blaser bolt after an severe overload or a second shot with a bullet stuck in the barrel or if someone forget to remove the cleaning rod .

Daniel