Folks - here in the UK we are due to receive compulsary ID cards. Not really a problem to someone who had to carry one in the military.

However, this piece started me thinking - and not in a good way!! Paranoid, well, maybe - but the potential for horrific abuse seems to be present. Orwell may have been right!

What do you think?............



You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed a

crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards are not

something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for our Passport

and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different to that. What you

have not been told is the full scope of this proposed ID Card, and what it

will mean to you personally.


The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It will

be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity Register).,

where all of your personal details will be stored. This will include the

unique number that will be issued to you, your fingerprints, a scan of the

back of your eye, and your photograph. Your name, address and date of birth

will also obviously be stored there.


There will be spaces on this database for your religion, residence status,

and many other private and personal facts about you. There is unlimited

space for every other details of your life on the NIR database, which can be

expanded by the Government with or without further Acts of Parliament.



By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you would be

wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used to check your

identity against your entry in the register in real time, whenever you

present it to 'prove who you are'.



Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every

pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much like

the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your card can

be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a record is

made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was presented. This

means for example, that there will be a government record of every time you

withdraw more than £99 at your branch of Nat West, who now demand ID for

these transactions. Every time you have to prove that you are over 18, your

card will be swiped, and a record made at the NIR. Restaurants and off

licenses will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows

that they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the

access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.



Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. If you

want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a swipe.

If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card,or a supermarket

loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to present your ID Card for

a swipe. The same goes for getting a telephone line or a mobile phone or an

internet account.



Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed databases of

their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR,just as every other

business will be. This means that each of these entities will be able to

store your unique number in their database, and place all your travel, phone

records, driving activities and detailed shopping habits under your unique

NIR number. These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the

size of your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or

illegally. It will then be possible for a non governmental entity to create

a detailed dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government will

have clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will have a

complete record of all your movements, from how much and when you withdraw

from your bank account to what medications you are taking, down to the level

of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a single unique number in

a central database.



This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your name

and face.



Most people do not know that this is the true character and scope of the

proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will work are explained to

them, they quickly change from being ambivalent towards it.



The Government is going to COMPEL you to enter your details into the NIR and

to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain or renew your

passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints taken and your eyes

scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued to you whether you want

one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted and eye scanned, you will not

be able to get a passport. Your ID Card will, just like your passport, not

be your property. The Home Secretary will have the right to revoke or

suspend your ID at any time, meaning that you will not be able to withdraw

money from your Bank Account, for example, or do anything that requires you

to present your government issued ID Card.



The arguments that have been put forwarded in favour of ID Cards can be

easily disproved. ID Cards WILL NOT stop terrorists; every Spaniard has a

compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers. ID Cards will not 'eliminate

benefit fraud', which in comparison, is small compared to the astronomical

cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions according to the

LSE (London School of Economics). This scheme exists solely to exert total

surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen,and it will

line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer systems at

the expense of your freedom, privacy and money.



If you did not know the full scope of the proposed ID Card Scheme before and

you are as unsettled as I am at what it really means to you, to this country

and its way of life, I urge you to email or photocopy this and give it to

your friends and colleagues and everyone else you think should know and who

cares. The Bill has proceeded to this stage due to the lack of accurate and

complete information on this proposal being made public. Together & Hand to

hand, we can inform the entire nation if everyone who receives this passes

it on.

Isnt life wonderful in the Peoples Republic of Blairs Britain.

It is all a reminder of Cromwell, and a certain Austrian Housepainter to mention only 2 ! ohhhhh and a gentleman from Georgia was of a similar mind I believe!

George Orwell was closer to the truth than even he might have imagined.

T260

I heard it was going to be scrapped due to the excessive cost??

Give me a couple of weeks and I should be able to get you a fake one

As for putting in your religion.... it's got to be... JEDI KNIGHT

( I don't do 'serious' very well)

Dan

Don't worry Big Brother will look out for you.

Crap,

this is one more step to complete the control society and police state/dictature

How far away is electronic chip and tattoed barcode For our own good and safety, right?

Cheers
/JOHAN

Here in Italy, ID Card is absolutely common, I always had one and I live without problems.

It is an annoyng thing that the autorities need three or four documents that have the, +/-, same meaning or that contain the same info. Driving license, Id Card, Social and Snitary card can associated in one card in the same format of a credit card.

Difficult to do the same with passport, no spaces for visas and entries registration.

But I understand also that it is difficult to accept that rules without any discussion.

I'm an Irish citizen with an Irish passport, though live in N Ireland - part of the UK. If I tell them to get stuffed, what sanction can they impose on me?

CD

Most likely a large fine, and if you refuse to pay it, then you go in the clink, remember what they do to Pensioners who refuse to pay their Council Robbery Tax in order to fund yet more stupidity?

or heckle at 'Party' gatherings.........

Aint Life grand!

T260

First thing the buggers would do would be to revoke your FAC and come and lift your hardware.

This government is the nearest thing to facists you are ever going to see.

Last man out, turn off the lights.

For these reasons I am looking to emigrate and give up my UK citizenship. I have about 18 months to get it sorted.

Fortunately, if you renew your passport before 2008, you do not have to register be electronically tattoed for the 'voluntary citizens card'.

Any of you read the diary of Ann Frank?

quote:

Originally posted by robthom:

Any of you read the diary of Ann Frank?

Yes....a few extracts

http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4m6mxdEaBEB7zNWBQx./S...nne_franks_diary.htm

"Take your rifle for another walk" cos it won't happen!

claret- they might send you to guantanamo bay!
how"s this for irony?- if i thought i"d get away with getting any Irish passport to avoid the id card i"d go for it, and i"m a prod!
(better keep it hid, or i might have to move house again!)
good shooting

Brasser, they wouldn't keep me in Gitmo more than a week. I'd be so obnoxious they'd send me home just for the piece and quiet.

Used to have this girlfriend years ago. Her old man was a real true-blue. Wasn't best impressed with me. Anyway, turns out that he was the export sales manager for a big outfit here back in the '80's. His biggest customer was in Argentina. Some time mid-1982 he got himself an Irish passport. Boy, did I have some crack when I got hold of that.

But you are right, the Irish passport won't make a button of difference.

The reference to Ann Frank's diary was to draw attention to the outcome of the "honest people have nothing to hide" and "only criminals are against having I.D. cards" blathering we hear from the police and some politicians.

Politicians are not man / woman enough to accept ressponsibilty for their own incompetence and the damage they do. Ergo, they will need to blame someone else when the much publicised new Garden of Eden / Utopia does not materialise.

You can draw up your own list, but the newspapers frequently prime the pump as it were.

I maintain free societies describe things / people but totalitarian societies classify and then organise / select people according to which box they tick on the paperwork.

Afterall, the information is only required for statistical reasons, to monitor our equality policy performance etc.

BTW, it is a £1000 fine and /or 6 months imprisonment if you fail to fill in the form or give wrong information.

I want to be long gone before we have our very own Kristalnacht (?spelling) or Reichstag incident. Perhaps July 2005 was it, enabling the government to silence the opposition, stifle debate and curtail freedom?

try equifax and just see what they exactly know about you!
they know when you shop,when you buy petrol and where you buy it from, your phone records, the list is endless. But heres one for you, if you fill in an online form you do not have to send it for them to retain the info, if it is a insurance quote all your details are sent to a database for all the insurers to see..
Big brother is watching and has been for some time..

regards
griff

Well, as if all that ws not depressing enough, it has started snowing again.

John

I'm going to change my name to Apu Nahasapeemapetilon.

Then watch them squirm when I demand that they should know how it's spelt