A couple of quesions for the folks from England.
Can a late summer or early fall be used to hunt both Roe and Fallow?
Is there any particular month where this would be better?
How long would a hunt need to be with a quality outfitter to have a realistic chance at a representative buck of both species?
Is there a particular area of England where this would be more easily accompished, or just a better place for other reasons?
What could one expect as far as prices and availability for this type of hunt?
I wish to hunt these two in August or Sept, if it's feasible, so any recommendations on outfitters or guides would be appreciated.
Regards,
Adam

Hi Adam

I don't know how much good info it would be for you but one of the biggest huntingagecies in Europe has a wide selection of hunts in Great Britan, check them out on http://www.diana.dk they have info�in english. Good luck

Adam,
we currently have stalking for fallow and roe in Scotland.

Current prices vary from �50- �100 day

If you would like further details send me an e-mail

Griff

Thank you gentlemen,
I appreciate the help, I set you an email Griff.
Adam

Griff, which calibers are most popular in hunting roe and fallow ?
Regards

Sika - there are plenty of people offering roe and fallow, but before you go for it, I would suggest you decide what your priorities are for several reasons.

Firstly, mid to late Oct, is a good time to go for fallow. I've always found it easier to try to close up with them just before the rut. Once those bucks are on the stands, in some areas it can be very difficult to close with them, even if you know exactly where they are. Its the does which are the problem round the stands, and while its easy enough to knock off one of the outer satellite bucks, getting onto a good one can be a different matter.

Secondly, Oct is not the worlds greatest time for roe. Of course, if you are out there, then you have a chance, but in general, whilst legal, the roe season, for all practical purposes ends about mid August. The problem is that ground cover is high, they are difficult to see, and there is no imperative like territorial or rutting activity to drive the more cautious older bucks. So, its probably wise to be prepared, if fallow is what you are after, to settle for a representative roebuck- just grab what you can get. And of course, the man who is really managing his deer carefully will probably have worked through much of that years quota of mature bucks.

Next mixing fallow and roe on the same area does not usually work too well. Reds and roe will go together, if you don't have too many reds. However, unlike reds, fallow are actually hostile to roe, and will chase and harry them, so there can be a stress problem, reflected in body weights and antler sizes.

Again, there is a problem (or can be) with parasites. Roe cannot cope with the same parasitic burden that fallow can.

Finally, the two species have different digestive systems, and the kind of relatively coarse roughage which suits fallow - arable coarse grasses etc, doesn't suit roe so well, since they are specific feeders.

So for all those reasons, you are unlikely to find good roe in quantity in the same area that you find fallow in commercial quantities. Thats not to say you cannot mix the two, but you may need to be prepared to travel to two different areas, if you want a decent chance at a good roebuck as well as a fallow.

You might be more realistic, if a good roebuck is what you want, to settle for a combination of fallow/muntjac, where a chance of a good version of both is reasonable, and tackle the roe at a different time. Or be prepared to accept a smaller roe - just something representative. Or go for the roe, and accept that the chances of a good fallow may be marginal.

I think it is possible to do it in Hampshire in late september, provided you don't want medal quality. The medal roe bucks will have been taken by the Belgians and medal fallow are like rocking horse manure in the UK! Earlier and the fallow will be in velvet.

I have shot roe and fallow in Hampshire in Sept so it can be done. Given a week I would be confident that you could bag a 6 pointer buck and a just palmed fallow buck in Hampshire. Take care to check that there are 6 pointers that can be shot. The fallow is likely to be a riskier proposition given that they are predominantly woodland.

Calibre - non mag 6mm up to 30cal forms 99.5% of UK stalkers rifles. A 243 is great.

I am not commercial but in September I shoot roe (predominantly) and fallow in Oxfordshire so it can be done.

GBF
Calibers are as varied as the weather!
222/223 upto 30cal, the 243 has to be one of the most popular, then i would say it would be toss up between a 7mm and the 308.
Of course they will be all deemed useless if teamed up with a B'T. Sorry GBF that remark was intended for 1894!!

Griff

Excellent information gentlemen, exactly what I was looking for.
I wouldn't know a medal head from a wooden head.
I would be very happy to take an average roe buck, and spend the remainder of the trip looking for an average fallow buck. Just average, adult bucks.
Is there an online source of guides and outfitters? I have visited a few websites, but is there somewhere where a bunch of them advertise, and do you guyss have any recommendations?
Thanks again,
Adam

http://www.crofter.com/wotsit/organisations/stalkingmag.html

Contact Christopher Borthen (or his wife) and take out a subscription to this monthly magazne. There are 2-3 pages of adverts from guides. There is also a page which gives details of the professional association for guides known as the UK Association of Professional Deer Managers.

Anyone who belongs to this is likely to be good. If you want to talk to me let me know and I will PM you my telephone no.

When I worked in the Uk I was amazed at how many game you see when you travel by train, it seems they have a lott of deer

13:00 GMT watched a 3-4 yr fallow buck feeding with 3 Roe only 30 meters away on my patch. My experience tends towards reds and roe not mixing. But the nice thing about deer is they like to prove you wrong. (seen roe feeding amongst sheep and heard recently of 6 roe being chased by sheep locally!)
Where ever you go I am sure you will enjoy the experience with a reputable guide.
tread

Must have been perverted sheep or perverted roe!

Nevertheless, it remains a truism that you don't usually find good roe (define good) where you get a lot of fallow. Equally you don't usually get good roe where you get a lot of red and sika because the poor little loves just cannot compete.

Interesting watching the decline in roe body weights as sika numbers rose on one of the military ranges

Define good: where roe body weights are in the 38-44 lbs (dealers weight) class routinely for a 3+ year old buck, and trophy weight is in the 300+ gramme class, with an average of about 340g dry nett weight. And where a bronze medal is about 375g, dry nett.