I watched an episode of Nosler Hunting a couple days ago featuring Kevin Steele and a CZ-USA rep. hunting stag in Spain. Their guide was a young, articulate (in English) Spaniard that is apparently a member of the family owning the outfitting enterprise.

During the talk while posing with the CZ guy's very nice stag, Kevin Steele proceeded to cut a couple leafy branches from a nearby tree and then go into a lengthy discussion on the German custom of "honoring" the animal while carrying out the ceremony.

My international travel experience, and especially in Europe, has taught me that each country is very nationalistic and proud of their country's history and tradition.

It was truly poor form, and insulting to his host, to waste footage performing a German tradition on a beautiful hillside in Spain displaying an excellent Spanish Stag.

Oh! that sounds terrible.

Hopefully the stag didn't notice...

You satirize the original post, but he's right. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I probably wouldn't have used the term insulting, but "oblivious" is probably accurate. While it is the prerogative of a guest to do as he pleases, nevertheless he misses much of the pleasure of foreign travel by bringing his country of origin as baggage.

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Oh! that sounds terrible.

Hopefully the stag didn't notice...

There is no shortage of sarcasm on AR. Nonetheless, we always hold out hope that our new members will bring valued input to our discussions.

I reckon most of us enjoy "The lowest form of wit" at some time, me more than most, but new guys should get a bit of a feel for the place first.

and post where they are from, sometimes hunting style and traditions are different, but being polite and not a wiceass will get you the most invitations in the end.

best

peter

My first reaction was,

do we really know what has been said off camera?

If the answer is no, well then I would say that I find it hard to fault any one,

yes he was in Spain hunting and perhaps he should have done as the spaniards do, however that is not for us to judge really.

Was the film any good, were the shots taken ethical and were the kills clean?

Those are the things I care for the rest is a mere question of form.

Last and without judgement, yes one should follow the costums of a gracefull and honored host and not without reason make him/her loose face or be disrespectful, if that was the case here is far from clear.

Best regars Chris

What is the "proper" traditional way to honour shot stag in Spain?
I disagree that it is German tradition. Many more countries follow that and I am not sure that it came from Germany either!

Greg

"I disagree that it is German tradition. Many more countries follow that and I am not sure that it came from Germany either! "

I agree with your post. The guy that did it, Kevin Steele - an American writer and magazine editor- said it was a German tradition. That's what made it so odd; to be demonstrating "a German tradition" in Spain.

My whole point in the post is that my experience has been that when in another country, the hosts do not appreciate references, uses or acknowledgements of traditions, languages or otherwise of other countries. If you are in Spain, why would you be touting a "German tradition" on TV?


Poor for at best.

the true is that the middel-european tradition of "bruch" is now normally used in many others european country... and generally don't offend anyone because is about the only tradition of this kind, so is a addendum, not a sostitution of another tradition...

Don't believe everything you watch in the "stoopid box" (TV). I have hunted many times in Spain, most hunters there know the custom and the habit of the "letzte Bissen" and the "Bruch"; besides, they also seem to generally appreciate the central european hunting ethics.

This is just my experience.

Does anyone know how Germans are regarded in Spain? I don't want to open wounds but the Nazis did bomb the shit out of Spanish civilians during the civil war in support of Franco. Is this all forgotten now?
Peter.

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Does anyone know how Germans are regarded in Spain? I don't want to open wounds but the Nazis did bomb the shit out of Spanish civilians during the civil war in support of Franco. Is this all forgotten now?
Peter.

No but many Spaniards still apreciate that the Legion Condor helped Franco to bomb the shit out of the Communists.

Among the latter was, by the way, the amazingly still popular american writer Ernest Hemingway, known for his boozing habits and the shooting of unarmed German POW.

A good hunting friend of mine had lost half of his uncles in the vicious Paracuellos shootings near Jarama and Torrejón de Ardoz, Madrid. There, about 10.000 civilians, priests, nuns and military officers not loyal to the new pro-communist government were shot by the "canalla roja".

The later popular leader of Span's communist party PCE, Santiago Carillo participated in these events but was never accused of that genocide.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matanzas_de_Paracuellos

Weidmann's Heil!

I might be missing somthing here...

But I see on most all german hunting pictures that the killed animaL has some "green stuff" in their mouth.

As I understand it, it is giving the taken game their last meal. It is an honour to the game animal taken...

IF I was a German Hunter, and that was my tradition, I would DO IT when hunting ANYHWERE.

Even when I killed elephants in Africa...

We do not have That tradition in America...

Still, I respect every animal I kill, and I and thank them in my own way...

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Still, I respect every animal I kill, and I and thank them in my own way...

The important point, nicely phrased.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I might be missing somthing here...

But I see on most all german hunting pictures that the killed animaL has some "green stuff" in their mouth.

As I understand it, it is giving the taken game their last meal. It is an honour to the game animal taken...

IF I was a German Hunter, and that was my tradition, I would DO IT when hunting ANYHWERE.

Even when I killed elephants in Africa...

We do not have That tradition in America...

Still, I respect every animal I kill, and I and thank them in my own way...

I could not have put it any better than this.Steve.

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Originally posted by Peter:
Does anyone know how Germans are regarded in Spain? I don't want to open wounds but the Nazis did bomb the shit out of Spanish civilians during the civil war in support of Franco. Is this all forgotten now?
Peter.

and the Americans and allieds in WW2 bomb Italians Japanese and German civilains, Italians made the same thing in Greece and Balcans (and in Spain also), Germans in France, Polony, England etc... like about any country made in any war from the WW1 till today. We can't live whit open wound, in Europe seem that now is clear.
I live in Spain now,in a small town, whit the EU Erasmus proyect, whit about 300 others students of 20 different nations...the only small problem came from some football match... nothing a beer can't arrange.
the time passes, and 70 years are many.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I might be missing somthing here...

But I see on most all german hunting pictures that the killed animaL has some "green stuff" in their mouth.

As I understand it, it is giving the taken game their last meal. It is an honour to the game animal taken...

IF I was a German Hunter, and that was my tradition, I would DO IT when hunting ANYHWERE.

Even when I killed elephants in Africa...

We do not have That tradition in America...

Still, I respect every animal I kill, and I and thank them in my own way...

Exactly what I would have said.