Had a young chap call on me today to use some of my ground to re-zero his R93/.243win. He'd had it in his car when he had a very slight RTA and wanted to check the rifle was shooting straight.
Well....Yes, it was off by 4inchs...
But in the 9 rounds that were chambered 3 were misfires!! The rounds were ejected (after 5 mins waiting time) and found to have no marks what so ever on the primers. He said he fully drew the bolt back as l asked if that may be the cause do to cocking failure. He has several R series rifles and likes them (can't say that for myself) but this has him stumped (and me very concerned).
Does anyone here have any ideas or input on this, l've told him to get it into a gunsmith asap and not to take the dodgy bugger out till he gets it sorted...

It just seems to me that posts that rag on a particular gun are almost always from non-owner/non-shooters of that particular weapon.

Jeff.

l posted because l was there...and it worried me. lf there is a convincing answer to the problem then l'm all ears. l advised him to seek a gunsmith and will await his conclusion, lf you're looking for a gun that doesn't have a problem at some time or other then l think we'll all be old n grey before that day...

Regards.

Dave.
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When you remove the bolt head on R-93 bolts, the firing pin and spring are right there. I would check the spring and the end of the firing pin to see if either is broken.

Dave
I did not intend to offend you by my previous post, but if you have been around message board very long, you know that what I posted is true. Many guys come on these boards to start fights and bitch sessions about a particular gun. I am an owner of two R-93 guns and have seen too many negative posts by people that have no idea about the gun except they can't afford them. Again, I am sorry that I offended you, and I hope your buddy can get his gun back in safe working order soon.

Jeff.

No offence taken mate, l'm here to learn l like to rag his arse about it because he doesn't like my Rem700, and some as you say can get all steamed up about nothin' anyway.
Yes, we'll take a look tomorrow and see if we can see anything amiss in the action, but l've heard they don't like to be tinkered with (so l've heard, here and other places)
Another chap has pm'd me with info as well which will be tried out in due course.


All the best.

Dave.
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Dave 2431,

Are you positive you are pushing the bolt all the way forward until it locks everytime? My own R93 has only "misfired" once as you have described, and that was the cause.

Cheers.

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Originally posted by RuarkReader:
Dave 2431,

Are you positive you are pushing the bolt all the way forward until it locks everytime? My own R93 has only "misfired" once as you have described, and that was the cause.

Cheers.

that's it - you can try it (empty offcourse) if you draw a bolt handle a bit on a locked/cocked rifle (so the bolt handle stays a bit off vertical) and pull the trigger the handle will jump into verical (locked) position, you will hear a click of a spring and handle jumping into a off/locked position - gun will not fire if bolt isn't closed completely - locked - dont't be shy just work the bolt to the end (as any you should) and it wont happen again...

Dave,

I shoot an R93 and the only missfire I've had was from not ensuring that the bolt had been fully pushed forward and closed. Slap dash on my part I'm afraid, make sure it's a good solid motion to close the bolt, not half hearted.
Hope this helps.

Give Alan Rhone/Krieghoff Service a ring. The gun smith there Erwin is excellent. They are now the UK Blaser importers.

To paraphrase Col Cooper: "slam that bolt home, show it no mercy"

Thanks Gents.

You'd think that the young chap wouldn't have a problem with a bit of heavy handed bolt use, being as he's a forester...then again it takes all sorts...

Many thanks for the replys, l'll let him know.

Regards.

Dave.
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First did he use reloads?

Using reloads in the 93 shouldn be a problem and it isn´t however with cases previously used in the same rifle the 93 model bolt can close on a insufficiently calibrated case, be cocked and fired and not leave a dent in the primer.

Apparently the cases for a R93 has to fully calibrated or othervise this might occur.

I am no expert on the R93 my self but i have two hunting and shooting buddies that I have helped when they had this type of missfires.

The theory is that the R93 system allows for slighty oversised cases to be chambered but when they don´t quite fit the firing pin is not allowed to strike even though the gun is fired.

Thinking of it all it makes sence, it´s one way to avoide a out of battery discharge, as i do belive it´s called and for a R93 such a thing would also leed to serious injury to the shooter.

I sort of think Glock in the back of my mind..

As a finishing thought, the young hunter there might have used reloads or perhaps there where som small crud or other on the rounds that made them not completly chamber..

Best regards Chris...

Hi Chris.

The young chap in question was using new out of the box whinchester rounds with a balistic silver tip in 95 grains. He lears away from home loads. He also has at least one other R93 and has had no problems wih it.

Dave.
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My good buddy had a problem with the R93 but I think that it was again down to not being heavy handed enough and the rifle was brand new and a tad stiff. May be just coincidence but he was also using winchester 95 Gn silvertip.


Hims did need to slam it home ole butt.

I am using Win Supreme 95 gr BTs in my R-93 243 and have had no problems. They also shoot sub MOA all day.