Hi all,

I'm just curious to know if it is possible to load up the 243 with with a handload that will continue to give the rounds flat shooting capability at longer range for killing hardier alpine animals.

I shoot my 243 better at range (200-250ish) than the 308, and it is a flatter shootinng round too.

Any thoughts apart from practice with the 308 would be great!!

FB

BTW, I know I need to practice more with the 308!!!

FB

Are you talking about Chamois? I cannot think that your 6mm bullet will be a disadvantage on a 'Goatlet' at the ranges you suggest. Though I freely admit that thought is just based on body size and film I have seen.

Maybe look at a bonded bullet that will retain a high percentage of its weight whilst still expanding reliably at longer range.

I have been impressed with the performance of Hornady Interbonds - albeit 30cal - from Munties to Fallow Bucks. 30 -300yds. Bang flop. No exceptions.

Rgds Ian

What about 85gr Barnes-X that will shoot flater than 100grSP.Chamois aren't very big.I shoot 100lbs goats out here with 87grV-MAX 243 out to 300yds.

Hi All,

Was Actually thinking of Moufflon in the Alps with Montero.

Ranges I hear can be from 150-250 and the Moufflon are a little hardier than the Chamois.

Since I posted the question He suggested a 100gr partition should do the job. Given I don't handload, I would probably either have to get a factory loaded premium or get a mate to load up for me.

I'm currently on Vanilla standard 90gr Sako softs which have taken fallow to 200yds.

It's all academic anyway as we are looking at a potenial trip in early 2007. Just curious.

Thanks,
FB

I have absolutely no doubt that the chamois and the mouflon I shot would have fallen to the 85gr speer BTSP I normaly use here. But I'm not sure that mouflon may legally be shot with a 243.

Fallow Buck.

l'm with T-P and 1894 on this. l've used both the 85 spbt's and am no using the 87 v-max as my "one shoots all" round, and can say that l've had very good results of both on Roe and Goats out beyond 200yrds. lf anything the 87 v-max can get a little "flashy" if you put it through too much bone. l zero for 200yrds and only put 8 clicks in to get me to 300yrds.

Dave.
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But both the chamois and the mouflon I shot went quite a distance despite a 6.5mm 120gr BT (MV 3,000fps) in the high heart and lung.

The chamois in particular (having a broken shoulder to boot) reared up, came down and then ran 50yards. The Mouflon went 75yards or so.

Does this call for a new rifle/barrrel then....

quote:

But I'm not sure that mouflon may legally be shot with a 243.

I really have to get help for my habit...



FB

Gamsjager may be able to help re the absolute legality

If you stick to the same mag (sauer yes?) then it's 260rem or 7mm08 - unfortunately rather poor choices of ammo and probably zero availability in France.

If you can change magazines and handload 6.5x57 if not 270win

1894,

To be honest, I spoke to Montero about it who originally suggested 243, so I just took it for granted it was a legal caliber booth in spain and France.

Although again I am assuming that it is the french alps rather than any other jurisdiction. I'll have to clarify the details when I come to firm things up.

I would thnk the 270 is actually a pretty good round for this kind of thing now you mention it though.

Regards,
FB

Conditions Générales Applicables Aux Chasses Domaniales Guidées ou Dirigées au Grand Gibier
2- EXERCICE DE LA CHASSE

2. 4 Armament et accessoires
Seul le tir à balle est autorisé avec carabine à canon rayé, de calibre minimum 6mm pour le chamois, le mouflon et le chevreuil, calibre minimum 7 mm pour le cerf.

Fallow Buck, this is a literal transcription of the regulations for the 2005/2006 season in the region of the French Alps I referred to.
It says minimum caliber for chammy, moufflon and roebuck is 6 mm.
Minimum for red deer is 7mm, though.

Beest regards,

Montero.

Montero

7mm for red deer??? Will 243,6.5,270 not kill a red deer?We are very lucky down here in New Zealand no seasons,you can shoot red deer with .22lr if you want.

Fallow Buck,

Since you don't reload, serious ammo selection is important in the 243. One of my visiting hunters gave a good quantity of RWS 105 gr. H-Mantle ammo to me. RWS is not available in the Islands. I am extremely impressed with the terminal performance of the ammo having used it on feral sheep and pig. I have witnessed his use, even at extreme ranges, not on one or two animals but dozens of sheep and pig as we were on a cull hunt.

RWS ammo should be readily available in your part of the globe. Plus, it is priced the same as our non-premium stuff.

Geoff

Thanks for that guys,

It's a fair way off but I like the idea of the 85gr X-Bullets.

Thanks again,
Kiri

Whoops - my mistake, sorry.

243 would be great.

No problem, 1894.

Your experience with .243 and 6mm cartridges is far superior than mine so Fallow Buck should be better following your advice rather than mine on the election of the bullet.

Best regards,

Montero

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Originally posted by TOP_PREDATOR:
7mm for red deer??? Will 243,6.5,270 not kill a red deer?We are very lucky down here in New Zealand no seasons,you can shoot red deer with .22lr if you want.

Top Predator,
actually a 270 is a 7mm caliber (.277in=7,035mm)so, without doubt, legal where such a minimum is mandatory .

7mm kills better than 6mm? When wind blow or mist is rising from the valley and I have those few seconds in a year to make a (looong)shot at a red, I'm more confident chambering a wind-drift-proof cartrige with a lot of joule like my 8x68s

BTW you Kiwis are very, very, very lucky with your hunting (no)legislation

I'd like to shot a red (or a chamois) upside down



Waidmannsheil

g.j.