Hi All,

I was sat in my office the other night loading some more ammo to replace all that I sent down the range at the Baldock weekend.

I have to say I was quite impressed with the simplicity of the hand priming tool and how it makes the job so simple, and safe....

Anyway it got me to thinking how would we manage without such a piece of kit? What other ways are there to get round the need to seat primers?

So I came up with a cunning plan.... Place a primer on a flat surface, place a case above the primer and place a small piece of rubber above the brass case and apply "percussive" force with a hammer or mallet of your choice.

Now due to one of the following options I decided not to proceed with phase one of the test:

1) I'm a lilly livered, spineless gutless chicken sh1t, scaredy cat little girl.

OR

2) I'm not that stupid.



So I just thought I'd ask if anyone out there has ever tried this, (for scientific puropses of course.....) ??

I patiently await your replies,
Fuzzy I mean FB

Kiri

Don't call me if anythnig happens..............

I can recommend a very eminent female reconstructive surgeon though...............

nice speaking to you yesterday

Is Kiri a troll ??????????

Definition of a troll please ?

Ben,

Unfortunately for some members there isn't a picture of a little man that holds a banner saying , "can we change the subject please..."

FB

Kiri, your post has caused me to reflect on some of the not very clever things I used to get up to as a young lad.

In retrospect I am glad I did not have access to such things as nitro powder and primers when I was 12 or 13 years old. I never would have made it to this point in life with most of my faculties intact....

Amir, you might want to bear all this in mind as you start to hand load.

Hi Claret dabbler you are not working as well

What's going on today nobody is working ...is it sunday ?

I'll just start off with an old Iranian proverb:

"Nobody likes a grass"



With that piece of Wisdom of The Ages in mind I, too, am interested in alternative priming processes.

I think what Kiri is driving at is the desert island scenario viz, imagine you are in the bad-lands, the danger-zone, far from the amenities of the capacious, well-stocked and ever-helpful country gunshop.

In this limbo, I think Kiri is saying, how would one go about priming cases?

It is a good question and well worth asking, my reference to trolls Benjamin was merely a shot across the bows of any who would make light of the very need for field expediency techniques in extremis!

Regards,

Amir

Old West country saying,

KEEP IT SIMPLE STOOPID!!


FB

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
Old West country saying,

KEEP IT SIMPLE STOOPID!!


FB

Well there is that.

Grates the soul to give up without a fight though eh!

I would caution against the table-and-rubber, it adversely affects facial hair, if one thinks about it…..

On the plus it does so remarkably evenly.

Regards,

Amir

Ps. to put this to bed shall I just post a picture up and people can hurl abuse in that uniformly kindly way I have come to know and love?

Kiri,

Becaue I like you I will not makes any comments on your intellect.

You're actually not too far off course though. Next time you go to your favorite reloading specialty shop ask them if the have any "Lee Loaders" and take a gander at the priming process for this simple kit.

Hey Gerry,

I would point out the following extract from a guy testing the Lee Reloader...

"With the cartridge case fully seated into the sizing die it’s time to insert a fresh primer. A live primer is placed cup-upwards in the priming chamber. The sizing die, with the cartridge still inside, is inverted and set into the priming chamber. They are machined to a close fit so that the primer pocket is automatically aligned with the primer. The knock out rod is then inserted into the case mouth from above and is tapped with your mallet until you feel the primer seat fully into the pocket. Theoretically, the primer cannot be crushed or seated too far because the sizing die and cartridge rest on a spring-loaded plate that is compressed around a priming rod that is ground to seat the primer .003” to .005” below the base of the cartridge. This doesn’t take into consideration varying primer pocket depths and any built up residue should you choose not to clean the primer pockets. I was a bit leery of seating primers in this method but it proved to be satisfactory.

In their First Edition reloading manual, Lee stated that this is one of the only priming methods that assures you won’t crush the primer, but; as with all priming procedures you are cautioned to keep your face away from the area directly over the case mouth. Good advice! I did manage to set off a primer with an over zealous whack but, in fairness, the nickel plated brass I was using had very shallow and irregular primer pockets.

The primer was seated fully but for some reason I didn’t think it looked deep enough so I ramped up my seating force from a few “taps” to a couple of “smacks.” Bad move. The primer detonated but there was no violent reaction, and neither I, nor the tool took any physical harm from it. If it wasn’t for the bang I might not have noticed it. Lee’s instructions correctly state that normally, primers are fully seated with a few light taps of the mallet. After a few cartridges you’ll be able to feel the primer seating and know when it’s completely seated.

I believe the destructions that come with the Lee Loader suggest not placing your face directly over the unit during the priming process...

Anyway, I would hope that by now you will know me sufficiently well and have the wisdom to know that this kind of caper (the mad scientist caper) isn't my particular area of Expertise.

Amir,

Try This Link.

Amir, I can vouch for the RCBS hand priming tool, I have used one for years, much better than a rubber mallet......

Gentlemen, Ian has once again rode to the rescue and has very kindly sent me a Lee hand priming tool.

I hope to thereby end my career in experimental priming.

The hair is re-growing nicely…..


Thanks for all your support chaps

Regards,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Gerry:
Kiri,

Becaue I like you I will not makes any comments on your intellect.

You're actually not too far off course though. Next time you go to your favorite reloading specialty shop ask them if the have any "Lee Loaders" and take a gander at the priming process for this simple kit.

This is all my intellect number 10, despite my cunning spinning of the situation Kiri has the moral high ground on this one...

No code of the playground with this lot though!

Grassed up in minutes.....

Regards,

Amir

Amir,

I'm confused but that's a normal state with me anyway.....



Shaving the eyebrows today to match the shaved head is currently the trendy "New Look"; matches piercings, studs and such. It's the colorful rainbow colored powder burn in the middle of the forehead that takes a few months to go away.

You won't have to shave either the inside nor the outside of your nose for a while, either.

I did all the operations described in Lee Loader manual with plastic mallet, with normal hammer and a harbour press. I never had problems. Knowing what can happens in America if you have any trouble using any kind of equipment and following step by step the instructions given by the producer, I think that It is safe to seat the prime with that equipment. Thake also in consideration that they suggest also the brand to use or to avod.

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:
Gentlemen, Ian has once again rode to the rescue and has very kindly sent me a Lee hand priming tool.

Amir

I can just see Ian down there in Devon, head in his hands, shaking with laughter.

The big man thinks, "I better send this boy a hand primer before he kills someone or sets the house ablaze..."

Brian,

I spoke to two mutual friends yesterday annd posed the question "did you hear about Amir?" Both replies were "[BIG Sigh...] what's he done now?"

Rgds,
FB

Its a challenge for us all.........avoiding that Darwin moment!

I have to admit to having heart in mouth when tapping harder and harder with a bullet removing hammer, well beyond the few light taps suggested in the instructions until the bullet and case finally decided to part company.

Why did I need to do this? Mis-fires, caused by being too timid with the primer seating tool so that the primer merely moved in a little when struck by the firing pin. (That's a retrospective forensic analysis having subsequently eliminated all other possibilities).

Now I give it a damm good squeeze with both hands and point the open neck end in a safe direction.

Way to go Amir...just because they don't admit to any mistakes in public doesn't mean they don't or didn't make them at some point!

quote:

Way to go Amir...just because they don't admit to any mistakes in public doesn't mean they don't or didn't make them at some point!

I work along the lines of what you lt don't know can't hurt me...

By the way, I bought a new "gas type" cooker for the next Baldock bash that runs on Ethanol. Does anyone know the best place to get some? It's like Diesel isn't it?

FB

How about surgical spirit 100% proof - I will bring some along both for heating and for Kiri's curry

Also there is no need to zero rifles since nobody is going to shoot straight ....

Amir did you see that Kudu I missed bouncing along the A1...........

Ethanol?
Weren't there some bottles of that floating around at Baldock already?
Redbreast? Rednose? Redeye? Something along those lines

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Originally posted by Trapper Dave:
Ethanol?
Weren't there some bottles of that floating around at Baldock already?
Redbreast? Rednose? Redeye? Something along those lines

Dave, I don't know about red noses or eyes, but you certainly had a red face by the time you finished "sampling" the amber nectar.

To compare Redbreast to ethanol??

Amir has the potential to become a sort of Mascot for this group the way things are going...

quote:

By the way, I bought a new "gas type" cooker

Brian,

"Ethanol!!!???"

I'm beginning to think there is some competition as to who is actually gonna end up being The AR Weekend Mascot - somehow I've got this picture of Kiri, sans Eyebrows, bic lighter in hand and the waifting scent of singed hair & Curry......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arjc_tKofhA

25 sec in ....

Not quite sure how I feel about the whole mascott thing....

Chef ; Yes
Facilitator; Yes
Stirrer (Not in the Chef Way); Definately

I like to think that I say what others are thinking and appreach life the way I do with my fishing...

Chuck a nice juicy bait out there and settle in to see what decides to take a nibble!!!

Anyway keep the Ethanol ideas coming in as I might have found a supplier but he only does bulk.

FB

Some good banter going on here fellas, not met you yet Amir but have a mental picture in my head...

Can remember a 'keeper friend once giving a primer a smack with a hammer on his garage floor!!

As Brian says good job we didn't have access to all this stuff when we were teens because I would deffianately take another hammer to a primer - do not do this at home!!

Ahhhh come on,

no more picking on Amir, he just told about what he did, not like the rest of us that have Darwin moments and then don´t tell about them.

I once took a piece of 2x4 wood drilled nice little rows of holes in it and stuffed 9 mm blank cartrigdes intended to be used in nail guns in each of then,

at 15 meters all it took was three attemps with my 22 airrifle to set one off that took the rest with it.

I had a hell of hard time explaining to my farther why there was scrapnell all over the work shop and that there was a small but noticable hole in the inside wall.

In short, Amir mate, I am with you...

As a serious advice though, the linkage arms on the Lee need just a bit of white gun grease to work effortless and yield a greater feel of the priming job.

Best regard Chris

quote:

Originally posted by The Specialist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arjc_tKofhA

25 sec in ....

quote:

Dave, I don't know about red noses or eyes, but you certainly had a red face by the time you finished "sampling" the amber nectar.

I have to say that the rosy glow took quite a time to wear off.
I put it down to the curry though

I can see already that next year promises to be quite an event with Kiri doing a Venison pot au feu!

quote:

Originally posted by Gerry:
Amir,

I'm confused but that's a normal state with me anyway.....



Shaving the eyebrows today to match the shaved head is currently the trendy "New Look"; matches piercings, studs and such. It's the colorful rainbow colored powder burn in the middle of the forehead that takes a few months to go away.

You won't have to shave either the inside nor the outside of your nose for a while, either.

Hi Gerry

It was a pleasure to finally meet you by the way!

As to confusion, it is the preserve of those who open minded enough to give people a fair hearing before condemning them, a liability of an intellect so versatile as to be able to truly comprehend all the variables, so revel in it as the same badge of the scientific spirit as I do

I do agree, however agree with you that the way the focus of the thread has turned from Kiri's flights of fancy to some slandered safety issue on my behalf is liable to loose us fans and respect as forum.

Whoever Kiri is talking about is fortunately spared the turmoil of choosing yet another tasteful yet sporty hair style by this latest salutary lesson in the foibles of reloading having of course taken any and all reasonable safety precautions as befitted the risks apparent.

I imagine that from the outset they were equipped with a welding face mask ( good for dealing with the consequences of sudden flashes of light ), heavy gloves and had the intelligence and industry to place a hard rubber bouncy ball between the mallet and the case mouth.

It is highly probable that had this brave frontiersman not spent the whole of bloody Saturday driving around southern England, two poxy weeks after a back operation out of sheer ruddy boredom, collecting reloading bits from a series of evermore Dickensian gunshop proprietors, only to get home and realise that not only had he forgot to buy a priming tool - and by proxy a long standing argument with his girlfriend about the soul-destroying spiritual bad karma from written shopping lists - but also had no means to get one for another bloody week.

The above notwithstanding, it higky probablt that if the hero had not noticed a protuberance on the kitchen sideboard, with the exact shape and size of a primer, that seemed to be proud of the surface by between 0.003" and 0.005" he would not have though "what if?" in the manner Newton and Einstein before him. I'm sure Newton dropped many a bollock before the apple did for him.

No bugger it! I admire whoever we are or are not talking about. It is precisely that burning need, nay, compulsion to adapt, invent and conquer that has propelled mankind to his pre-eminent place in creation.

Better a Mascot on the nose of the Express-Train of Progress, than a nay-saying bonnet-emblem caught up and along nonetheless....

But in answer to your question mate, I'm fine fella! Thanks for asking. Obviously still a bit of pain but i'm hoping the final operation will sort things out and i'll be fighting fit by the start of fallowbuck season.

Hope you are keeping well

Regards,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:
Gentlemen, Ian has once again rode to the rescue and has very kindly sent me a Lee hand priming tool.

Amir

I can just see Ian down there in Devon, head in his hands, shaking with laughter.

The big man thinks, "I better send this boy a hand primer before he kills someone or sets the house ablaze..."

No actually!

I rang him actually!

I only told him what had happened after he made his, jolly decent, offer actually!

He isn't the kind to point and enunciate nasty names actually!

So you owe him an apology actually!



Now had you said something like:

" Ian sat, toying with his moustache and waiting impatiently for the rest of the Women's Institute tea-circle to turn up with his heart in his mouth.

"Tonight" he thought as he slipped into his familiar, battered, pink nightie and rearranged the balls of wool on the coffee table for the umpteenth time , "Tonight, I have news!....."

I would have been assured of your loyalties!

sheesh... news travels fast these days, you're supposed to be a ferry crossing away at least!!

ATB,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:

By the way, I bought a new "gas type" cooker for the next Baldock bash that runs on Ethanol. Does anyone know the best place to get some? It's like Diesel isn't it?

FB

Ethanol is actually much harder to get hold of than diesel.

Let us know if you manage to get hold of significant quantities, say 70 litres plus.

That would actually be a minor achievement in its self, to simply stumble across it would be unforgivable.




(The wink above is actually a fucking massive one if you'll pardon my French. There are reports of it being seen as far south as Devon. Early indications are that it is due to spread rapidly north. Commiserations and congratulations as appropriate.)

With my most cordial regards,Ian,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Trapper Dave:
Its a challenge for us all.........avoiding that Darwin moment!

I have to admit to having heart in mouth when tapping harder and harder with a bullet removing hammer, well beyond the few light taps suggested in the instructions until the bullet and case finally decided to part company.

Why did I need to do this? Mis-fires, caused by being too timid with the primer seating tool so that the primer merely moved in a little when struck by the firing pin. (That's a retrospective forensic analysis having subsequently eliminated all other possibilities).

Now I give it a damm good squeeze with both hands and point the open neck end in a safe direction.

Way to go Amir...just because they don't admit to any mistakes in public doesn't mean they don't or didn't make them at some point!

Thank you for kind words Dave

As a fellow man of science you also see my importance to the gene-pool and general future of humanity.

Regards,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Ahhhh come on,

no more picking on Amir, he just told about what he did, not like the rest of us that have Darwin moments and then don´t tell about them.

I once took a piece of 2x4 wood drilled nice little rows of holes in it and stuffed 9 mm blank cartrigdes intended to be used in nail guns in each of then,

at 15 meters all it took was three attemps with my 22 airrifle to set one off that took the rest with it.

I had a hell of hard time explaining to my farther why there was scrapnell all over the work shop and that there was a small but noticable hole in the inside wall.

In short, Amir mate, I am with you...

As a serious advice though, the linkage arms on the Lee need just a bit of white gun grease to work effortless and yield a greater feel of the priming job.

Best regard Chris

Thank you Chris, you are a true ally

I am minded of a saying one a fine chap such yourself obviously knows all about already:


"the unexamined existence is not worth living, by extension therefore boredom is a fate worse than death and therefore one can accept a reasonable risk of death in the pursuit of life"

Speak soon buddy,

Amir

Amir,

any time mate.

Best regards Chris

Ethanol..... I know a few people in the hills of County Antrim who could brew up some of there own, but I think I could get it for alot less than £70!
Kiri as for a Mascot I could always bring "Albert" along next year!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:

quote:

Way to go Amir...just because they don't admit to any mistakes in public doesn't mean they don't or didn't make them at some point!

I work along the lines of what you lt don't know can't hurt me...

By the way, I bought a new "gas type" cooker for the next Baldock bash that runs on Ethanol. Does anyone know the best place to get some? It's like Diesel isn't it?
FB

For god sake dont get the two mixed up! Put ethanol through ordinary rubber/synthetic pipes or in contact with rubber/synthetic seals, and it starts to bugger them up; even after only a short exposure to the stuff they start to "rot"..

If you do buy some, make sure you mark the jerry cans well other wise in 6 months time you'll end up putting in your motor by mistake and it will cost a small fortune to get it sorted...

Pete,

In my former military days we used to paint the Jerry Can caps different colors, red, yellow, white, etc. so one had to make a concious decision as to whether Diesel, Multifuel or Gas was in the offered Can. Holding the innards of your Zippo lighter in the Diesel Can was a good way to go thru a coupla flints without success while Gas made a very servicable; although sooty re-fill. The inital drag on those non-filtered Chesterfields or Camels had a sorta 98 octane taste.....

That's why stills use brass pipes.

But for one-time use, you drive an auto's front wheels onto a coupla cinder blocks, build a fire of Port Casks under the engine, circulate the Ethanol rapidly several times on a slow boil after adding a coupla handfuls of corn to the crankcase. Enure it's filtered to avoid any bits & pieces of valves, pistons & camshaft.

Shaken, not stirred.......

Gerry

Your encyclopedic knowledge of improvised alchol production does give me pause for thought - and not a little concern!

Who the hell thought of using the front end of a Dodge - and what did the owner think of the plan?

Rgds Ian