Its just over a week since Lola had her first litter of pups. Not really planned but Eva her Hanoverian boyfriend took advantage before we knew she was even in season.
We had only three pups
1 bitch - Asta
2 dogs - Arno and Addi

All are doing extremly well and with all the fresh heart, kidney and liver that Lola is eating should we well atuned to deer when they get older


Mark

Congratulations, are you keeping any for yourself?

Can I ask how you ended up with a Bavarian and a Hanovarian? Which do you find is better suited to British stalking?

Cheers

Gabriel

Hi Gabriel

Its a long and complicated story.
My friend was working in East Germany and rescued Lola's dad who was a pure Hanoverian from being put down. His wife had a pure Bavarian bitch and the outcome was a litter of crosses. Now the Bavarian originates from crossing the Hanoverian with the Tirolean Hound to lighten the dog up and make them more suitable for hunting in the mountains..
Anyway for UK hunting the difference is negligable, the Hanoverian is larger, broader and heavier but not excessivly so. Though they have hound like stubbornness they are very loyal to their owner/family/pack.
If boar hunting increases in the UK a couple of Hanoverian would prove quite useful

The dog in the foreground is Eva a pure bread Hanoverian and the one responsible for the puppies

Mark

Good stuff Mark, do these dogs ever finish the wounded game themselves when allowed off the lead?

Sorry, but I am v ignorant in respect of proper blood trailing dogs.

I believe that in many countries there is a legal requirement for these dogs to be available in every region/county etc.

Do you think there is a future for something like this being put in place voluntarily in the UK?

Since I dont have to work my dogs professionally or track wounded wild boar after a driven hunt, my dogs track only. We have three young kids and the dogs are part of the family so I have not trained them to rag/hold wounded game ie go into the 'red-zone'.
Having said this they are very capable of doing so, take a look at the size of Eva's neck, there is a lot of muscle and loosish skin there to protect the dog. Someone like Mouse93 or Monestry-Forester are experts in this area.
As far as tracking in the UK is concerned we have a whole different hunting culture which is very different from Europe but it may happen but I would not hold my breath. A lot of hunters I have met consider 15 min search a thorough job

Mark

Nice litter there Mark - keep them busy.

I wouldn't be allowed to do so here, since we have a regulation that only purebreed dogs with FCI pedigree can be used for hunting purpose.

Boghossian - those dogs are quite capable of finishing wounded game at the end - up to a red deer calf size (seen them do it on hind couple of times). However it doesn't work with boars, stags and bears for obvious reasons as well with chamois - quite some dogs were killed jumping on chamois on the steep terrain and ended up dead beneath the rock wall together with their quarry. It is quite usuall to have another dog (hound or terier...) present for a work at the end, since it is a tricky job with boar or bear and loosing a well proven trailing dog like that would be a pure waste of over 3-4 years work.

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Originally posted by MarkH:
Its just over a week since Lola had her first litter of pups. Not really planned but Eva her Hanoverian boyfriend took advantage before we knew she was even in season.
We had only three pups
1 bitch - Asta
2 dogs - Arno and Addi

All are doing extremly well and with all the fresh heart, kidney and liver that Lola is eating should we well atuned to deer when they get older
Mark

Nice Post,Congratulation to the Mother and his owner, she really look like a good mother!!!

It is a very dangerous job for the Hanoverians or Bavarians to track wounded boars or stags. I lost 3 Hanoverians in "action", so I have now a young serbian hound (Mouse: srpski gonic)for the finish! Now is the main season for tracking red deers and boars, I`m now nearly every day on tour, tomorrow in the morning it will be a red deer calf with a light shot at the spine (in german Krellschuss)! We will see!

Hi Monastery-Forester

My nurse brought me a magazine from New Zealand dedicated to hunting boar with dogs. They were crossing Great Danes with Mastifs and then clad then in Kevlar armour.
http://www.boardogs.com/Bull_Mastiff_Cross_Great_Dane.htm

Scarry stuff

Any tips with the puppies they are growing fast

Mark

Latest puppy update. Wow they grow quickly though Lola seems keener to go out hunting again now.





Mark

Nice to see them rising - it will probably changed Lola's character, she might become more self possesed - Mark just a tip with winter months there will be much less sun so you might add some D vitamine when they will start to eat on their own - make sure you will add extra Calcium (Ca) later (at around 3-4 months) when they will start to grow their regular teeth it will coincide with fast growing legs at that stage and organism will pump all the Calcium available "from legs to teeth".

Those things are cute!
Do they have owners waiting to take them? What age are they leaving home?

Cheers

Gabe

This is the strange thing. When I go to the game fairs etc etc can I move for people asking when are puppies due and how they would like to have one.Along come some puppies and all goes quiet Anyway we have two dog puppies now at 4 weeks old. I would hope to have a puppy free Christmas that makes them 8 weeks old.

Mark where is the third one?

Hi Mouse

Number 3 (Arno) is the most active and would not stay still for the camera. I will instruct the kids to take pictures.

Mark

Training has now started

I shot this roe up in Scotland at the weekend with my 7x64. The wind was quite strong down the valley @ 12mph so I had to give 6" offset to the 250yd shot. I thought I'd give the pups something to invetstigate before the doe went in the chiller.




We still have a bich and dogv available

Mark

Nice shot!

Those puppies are lovely!
I would love to grant you a "puppy free Christmas" but unfortunately I am living too far way!

B.Martins

One pup sold still two left Why so hestiant on the ultimate deer tracking dog. Can also do menial tasks like pick up pheasants :twisted:





Special message for Mouse93

Here is a copy of Evar's export pedigree, obvoiusly I have a few problems with the Slovenian bits such as CACIB,CAC,BOB PF-IHF lc/llc. Could you help



Mark

Pups at work




Mark

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Originally posted by MarkH:


Special message for Mouse93

Here is a copy of Evar's export pedigree, obvoiusly I have a few problems with the Slovenian bits such as CACIB,CAC,BOB PF-IHF lc/llc. Could you help

Mark

Sory Mark, but this is a Slovakian (former part of Czhehoslovakia) and not Slovenian (ex Yugoslavian) lingo and pedigree...however CACIB, CAC, BOB are FCI's exhibition prizes: CACIB is a candidate for international champion of beauty, CAC is national candidate..., BOB is best of breed on particullar exhibition. PF's are working test marks, on fathers side (in German) you can see predecessors have VP that means "VorPrufung" s.p. - premilinary field test and HP means HauptPrufung s.p. - that is main field test, on some there is a remark "frei" - that means that dog works on trail "free" - without use of trailing sling (very desirous)...sory thats all.

We still have a dog not taken which is Aldo the 'Hit Man'. Its amazing how fast they grow if you feed them on bits of roe and fallow



Is this nature or nurture but given all the Christmans decorations under the tree Aldo singles out this one for a good mauling






Mark

mark that is not fair, he looks great. im waiting for my pup to be born the start of jan. but those pictures makes me think about a brase of puppies. damn this is not fair.

thanks for the pics.

peter

quote:

Originally posted by MarkH:
One pup sold still two left Why so hestiant on the ultimate deer tracking dog. Can also do menial tasks like pick up pheasants :twisted:





Special message for Mouse93

Here is a copy of Evar's export pedigree, obvoiusly I have a few problems with the Slovenian bits such as CACIB,CAC,BOB PF-IHF lc/llc. Could you help



Mark

Hello Mark, nice to see these pedigree, I saw his father "Iwan von der Königsbuche" when he was 6 weeks old! The breeder is a good friend of me! The grand-grandfather of your EVAR is "Hirschmann vom Klosterforst" - the english word for Klosterforst is monastery-forest, perhaps now you know who is the breeder??

@ mouse93: last monday I lost my 8year old HS Lino z Medniku at the follows of an accident in april!After long time in a vet - hospital and a short time in vet-university at Hannover we have had no chance! It is hard to loose a good friend and a very succesfull "Schweisshund"!

Monastery-Forester my sincere condolence - things like that are a true bottom of our job - I hope the remaining dogs (or even a new puppy) will help you fill the void. Take care.

Monastery-Forester

Sorry to hear about Lino. Archie the father of Lola died 2 weeks ago at the grand old age of 14. He was buried with full honours in the forest.
I hope you liked what you saw with Evar. Even in the past two weeks he has started putting on weight now he is top dog.

Mark

MF,

Sorry for the loss of your dog. It is heartbreaking as anyone that has had a hunting companion will know.

Mark,

Has anyone taken the last pup? If I had space I'd have it in a heartbeat as I'm feeling the itch for a stalking dog, as Fern is just to mental for the task!! (Typical spaniel...)

Rgds,
FB

A message to all those hunters wives out there.

What can you get at Christmas for the man who has almost everything. Laser range finder, real tree underpants or another hat with ear flaps.
No get him something real useful and dual purpose like this



Not only useful for as the ultimate hunting dog but will also hoover up all those annoying bits of venison you cant turn into mince.

Only one left while stocks last



Can also be placed by doors to keep draughts out on those cold winter nights



Order now to avoid disappointment. And remember when all those other dogs give up and you wonder where your husband has got too this is the only dog you will ever need.


Mark

If only I could have had two! The little one I got is enough to keep my springer on her toes!

She went straight in there and took this bone off my 2 year old springer!

http://www.rarms.co.uk/gabi.jpg