Who of us reloads immediately after taking the shot?

The reason for asking is I had to go and help a good friend find a deer this morning that had been shot in the very last light, and a bit too far back.

On questioning my friend revealed that he had waited about 30 seconds before reloading.(Time enough to get another shot into the right place IMO) By which time the deer had started to move into cover and was lost immediately in the dark and thick undergrowth.

So I was wondering who reloads immediately or who takes a look over the scope to see the results first?

We found the deer by the way 60m into the wood and about 250m further away from where it was shot.

I usually reload immediately, but when shooted in very low light or just a bit less than dark, the flash light from shot dazzled me, and it took always severall seconds before I can see normally again.

Reloading is like breathing to me - subconsciously - I don't even recall I am doing it.

In theory I reload instantly, like a machine...in practice, I have been known to take a couple seconds longer especially if the animal drops at the shot.

Did your mate think it wouldn't require a second shot? A lot of people more skilled than I talk about 'letting the first shot take effect' when they are sure of its placement. I've had this advice from a highland stalker before, after hitting a stag in the chest and reloading instantly....personally I just put another one into the animal if in doubt.

I always reload straight after the first shot, just in case a second shot is required.

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Did your mate think it wouldn't require a second shot?

He did eventually decide that it needed a second shot but by the time he had reloaded, acquired the sight picture, the beast was on the move and disappearing fast into the woodland under growth. Giving no opportunity for a follow up shot.

Since deciding that bigger and faster was the way to go about 2 years ago he's gotten into the habit of thinking they only ever need one shot. Which for the 99.9% of time has been true. 200gr out of a 30cal magnum carries some knock down power!

I think that yesterdays potential disaster and this mornings sobering search. May just have worked its influence and rehabilitated him into a reload immediately shooter.

I reload as soon as I have seen the stike, and if I am in any doubt shoot the animal again. Esp if it is on the gound and trying to get back up.

I am more interested in following through on the shot, marking the strike point and tracking the animal through the scope. I generaly know when I have made a mistake and can reload immediately if required but it's a bad habit to not follow through on a shot for reloading and also bad to have a mind set that things can be sorted with a follow up shot. In my experience they generally can't and the extra knowledge gained by knowing exactly what happened is at least as valuable.

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In my experience they generally can't

If you spend those vital first 10-20 seconds watching the shot, marking the strike point (you must have some super-dooper scope or be shooting at short distances to be able to do that consistently) then hoping to track the beast in the scope. The opportunity to take that vital follow up shot when things do go a rye will be gone.

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I generaly know when I have made a mistake and can reload immediately if required

Again could be true at short distances, but what happens when the wind gusts, drops, eddies, or the beast takes a step forward just as you crack a shot off?

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the extra knowledge gained by knowing exactly what happened is at least as valuable.

Valuable to whom? You or the deer? Whilst you've laid there, scratched your nuts, considered whether to have a fag or not, and done the cryptic clues to the Sun crossword. You now have a wounded deer that needs tracking , finding and dispatching. when you could have slotted it again and be dragging it back to the larder.

Idiot.

My thoughts precisely! My reply was just a little less terse.

Happy Contemplating.

H5, why do you feel the need to ridicule 1894mk2's opinion? Just because it is different to what you would do? He has grassed a heck of a lot of deer, I daresay more than 90% of the people on this forum. Does that mean he is the last word on deer stalking - no, but it does mean his opinion is valid.

What's the point of a "discussion forum" if you are going to rip into everyone who disagrees with you in any way whatsoever?!

Well said Boghossian, some days I wish someone would beam him up.

He strikes me a a typical armchair expert, he has probabally read lots but does not actually have all that much field experiance.

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Originally posted by H5:
My thoughts precisely! My reply was just a little less terse.

Happy Contemplating.

Less terse?

It is well to realise that just because people don't jump up and down agreeing explicitly with every pearl of wisdom and nugget of the unmentionable that you deign to brighten our existences with, you havn't been heard

A little more intestinal fortitude re the concept of polite disagreement would suit you better old chap.

1894mk2 bona fides are impeccable as far those who know, or even know of, him here.

Misdirected ridicule has a ghastly habit of backfiring.....

Regards,

Amir

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He strikes me a a typical armchair expert, he has probabally read lots but does not actually have all that much field experiance.

At present we nothing about the areas he shoots, species he stalks or anything else for that matter. As for expert..... I don't see it. Nothing he adds couldn't be googled in a few minutes.

The only thing we know is that he turns every post into a confrontation even if he's saying the same thing as the person he's quoting!!

This forum is a wealth of knowledge and many of the more respected participants have been posting less since this idiot and a couple of others have dropped in.

FB

Fancy 1894 doing the the sun crossword! who'd of thought it!!
However I do believe he is writing a book, it is entitled " one word insults and how to use them"

griff

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Originally posted by Boghossian:
H5, why do you feel the need to ridicule 1894mk2's opinion? Just because it is different to what you would do? He has grassed a heck of a lot of deer, I daresay more than 90% of the people on this forum. Does that mean he is the last word on deer stalking - no, but it does mean his opinion is valid.

What's the point of a "discussion forum" if you are going to rip into everyone who disagrees with you in any way whatsoever?!

Boggy

No offence but.....

I accept we are all entitled to our views. Just as We are all entitled to express our disagreement with those held views or actions.
It matters nowt to me whether he has shot 10K or 10.
My oridginal reply was some what tongue in cheek. The fact that !894 choose to read into it more than was there matters very little to me. Perhaps its a good indicator why he feels he is less fallible than us lesser mortals.

We are all obligated to ensure the cleanest, swiftest, death of our chosen quarry. That obligation brings with it certain necessities. One of which is too ensure that we as the hunter are as soon as possible in a postition to render a second shot. Pulling the trigger, then wasting those few vital seconds waiting and watching ensures that should such an eventuality occur the shooter is unprepared and fails in his or duty. As 1894 said he rarely finds that a concluding second shot presents its self. Is it any wonder why?

RELOAD!,RELOAD!,RELOAD!, It still echoes in my memory from lying in the snow 5yds from Mr Griffiths, After having knocked down a Calf, I then drilled the Hind through the front, I think he was dead worried cos I was using a girlie gun! (Sako .243)

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Originally posted by DJM:
Well said Boghossian, some days I wish someone would beam him up.

He strikes me a a typical armchair expert, he has probabally read lots but does not actually have all that much field experiance.

LOL

I can see why you as an advocate of an inadequate and inappropriate calibre and bullet would like to think that.

Unfortunately for you its isn't the case.But hey thats life.

Its true, I am particularly well read, on a number of subjects, have many years practical experience and have and still do shoot a lot of deer given the opportunity and motivation.

Lifes a bitch ain't it?

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Originally posted by griff:
Fancy 1894 doing the the sun crossword! who'd of thought it!!
However I do believe he is writing a book, it is entitled " one word insults and how to use them"

griff

Its a particularly short book then!

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Originally posted by Steve Latham:
RELOAD!,RELOAD!,RELOAD!, It still echoes in my memory from lying in the snow 5yds from Mr Griffiths, After having knocked down a Calf, I then drilled the Hind through the front, I think he was dead worried cos I was using a girlie gun! (Sako .243)

Steve

I'm sure Neil was mightily please that you reloaded at the first available opportunity rather than lie there and wait to see what happened next.

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Reloading is like breathing to me - subconsciously - I don't even recall I am doing it.

I rarely need a follow up shot anymore. But if one is required, I am ready.

I can reload and properly assess the first shot at the same time.

I have been in on too many situations where I wish the hunter, myself included, had taken that extra insurance shot. It sure saves a lot of hassle.

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Originally posted by Ghubert:

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Originally posted by H5:
My thoughts precisely! My reply was just a little less terse.

Happy Contemplating.

Less terse?

It is well to realise that just because people don't jump up and down agreeing explicitly with every pearl of wisdom and nugget of the unmentionable that you deign to brighten our existences with, you havn't been heard

A little more intestinal fortitude re the concept of polite disagreement would suit you better old chap.

1894mk2 bona fides are impeccable as far those who know, or even know of, him here.

Misdirected ridicule has a ghastly habit of backfiring.....

Regards,

Amir

Amir

I am to long in the tooth to be so deluded as to think all that I say or do will meet with blanket approval or open compliance. I have always held the view that forums are for the open discussion of views and opinions and to never get upset by what is posted by those who disagree with those views or opinions.They are only words after all and should be shed like water off a ducks back. Lifes to short and nature to bountiful to let words spoil what little life we are granted on this world.

Unfortunately politeness is a hard concept to convey in a entirely written format, without the use of excessive prose and meaningless platitudes

Your remark of "A little more intestinal fortitude re the concept of polite disagreement would suit you better old chap." being a classic example.

I care nowt what 1894 bona fides are. He might be a fine and decent individual. The fact that he in his wisdom chooses to wait and watch rather than to act, and be prepared for the unexpected, the unplanned, the indeterminable, lays him open to criticism. The fact that he then takes umbrage at that criticism speaks volumes.

Enough said on this matter don't you think?

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Originally posted by H5:
Its true, I am particularly well read, on a number of subjects, have many years practical experience and have and still do shoot a lot of deer given the opportunity and motivation.

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Originally posted by SDhunter:

I rarely need a follow up shot anymore. But if one is required, I am ready.

I can reload and properly assess the first shot at the same time.

I have been in on too many situations where I wish the hunter, myself included, had taken that extra insurance shot. It sure saves a lot of hassle.

Thank you SD Hunter. A voice of calm and reason amongst the babbling dissenters at last.

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Originally posted by DJM:

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LOL

Say the .243, 70gr BT wild PD in Northants deer culler.

Neil
Remember this?
While some may sympathise with you or your opponent they refuse to do so,so as not to be seen to take sides.

Subject closed!



Its all to easy to point the finger of accusation.

Not everybody who happens to disagree with you or any one else for that matter is a troll.

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Originally posted by griff:

get a double rifle, and your worries are over.
as to the rest of the argument lets try to keep the european forum as classy as it use to be.

pictures are always a good way to show that you been there and done that.

best regards

peter

What does TROLL food consist of anyway?

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Originally posted by Steve Latham:
What does TROLL food consist of anyway?

I dont know but a .243 and 70gr Ballistic Tips sure give them a headache.

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Originally posted by Steve Latham:
What does TROLL food consist of anyway?

any questions or staments that can be turned into a pissing contest

best regards

peter

H5,
my friends call me Griff or Neil, Steve Latham is a friend, you are certainly not one of those,you are argumentative,rude and presumptous.

You verbally abuse those that disagree,and disregard completely their experience, just because it differs with your own.
Put your name up and lets just see exactly who you are....

Just goi'n for a

Sorry guys!

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Originally posted by H5:

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Originally posted by Ghubert:

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Originally posted by H5:
My thoughts precisely! My reply was just a little less terse.

Happy Contemplating.

Less terse?

It is well to realise that just because people don't jump up and down agreeing explicitly with every pearl of wisdom and nugget of the unmentionable that you deign to brighten our existences with, you havn't been heard

A little more intestinal fortitude re the concept of polite disagreement would suit you better old chap.

1894mk2 bona fides are impeccable as far those who know, or even know of, him here.

Misdirected ridicule has a ghastly habit of backfiring.....

Regards,

Amir

Amir

I am to long in the tooth to be so deluded as to think all that I say or do will meet with blanket approval or open compliance. I have always held the view that forums are for the open discussion of views and opinions and to never get upset by what is posted by those who disagree with those views or opinions.They are only words after all and should be shed like water off a ducks back. Lifes to short and nature to bountiful to let words spoil what little life we are granted on this world.

Unfortunately politeness is a hard concept to convey in a entirely written format, without the use of excessive prose and meaningless platitudes

Your remark of "A little more intestinal fortitude re the concept of polite disagreement would suit you better old chap." being a classic example.

I care nowt what 1894 bona fides are. He might be a fine and decent individual. The fact that he in his wisdom chooses to wait and watch rather than to act, and be prepared for the unexpected, the unplanned, the indeterminable, lays him open to criticism. The fact that he then takes umbrage at that criticism speaks volumes.

Enough said on this matter don't you think?

You're not getting this.

Peter has spelled it out for you. What you think of excessive prose would be considered good manners by the members of this forum.No one gives a toss about "loosing" and "flamewar", it tends to be one row , mark the file "pointless tosser" and move on. This is why we are polite to one another, apart the fact that our parents raised us that of course.

This is of course a terrible shame if the card marked is in fact a nice chap who goes stalking a lot.

You see, with so many sound chaps on here, why would anyone bother with you if you can't be polite?

If you lack the basic civility to conduct reasonable discourse may I suggest you bugger off in short order. Nobody is going to impressed by by bombast and we are all certainly old and ugly enough to dismiss people as pointless irritants if indeed despite all efforts they prove such.

It may be that you consider your comments to be in jest, I'm sure they were indeed. They were however rather crass.

Consider that

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without the use of excessive prose and meaningless platitudes

such as

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Valuable to whom? You or the deer? Whilst you've laid there, scratched your nuts, considered whether to have a fag or not, and done the cryptic clues to the Sun crossword. You now have a wounded deer that needs tracking , finding and dispatching.

you would have been able to get your point across.

This is not to mention that you missed the entire point of what 1894 was saying, i.e. by all means reload quickly but not at the expense of shooting technique ie, follow through in recoil and mark/call you shot from the sight picture; simple really better technique fewer fast second shots taken. He was not disagreeing with reloading, merely passing on his thoughts, thoughts that many have found reason to listen carefully to.

For the above reasons the dichotomy of your complaint that 1894 replies' are too short, that mine are too long and sdhunter's are just right gives you all the gravitas of Goldilocks contemplating the porridge.

Surely you want to be taken more seriously than that?

Having said that I hope your season has been a good one, I have unfortunately tweaked my sciatica and fear I'll be out of action until well into the new year. I have an appointment with some German boar in late January to look forward to though, go to have something to keep you going!

I haven't pulled the trigger since early November with Boggy, I want to get out there but I'm saving myself for the pigs

got anything interesting planned?

Regards,

Amir

GH

Ya little liar!

I happen to know you were sat in a high seat in front of an 8pt Red only last weekend. Half an hour of pointing the rifle and muttering 'Bang' however, does NOT constitute either 'catch and release' OR 'recycling'! 'Was not up to dragging it' indeed!

H5

If you truly like the idea of continuing posting on this forum/site, do consider that you have received quite a few remarks that disparage your style as confrontational and unpleasant.

Most of 'us' would be happy to say what we post when face to face in 'real life' - perhaps apply that test prior to penning another response?

The above assumes you actually want benefit and comradeship from this forum.

You are obviously intelligent and possessing some knowledge and appreciation of the stalking/shooting world. Pretty much the demographic for the majority who use this section of the site.

Your sign-in name (H5: Avian Influenza / is a form of airborne virus), decision to not provide any personal information and confrontational style could unfortunately indicate you are just here as a troll. In which case - post away in anticipation of finding your IP permanently blocked in short order.

Your next posts will decide your future here - Your call!

Rgds Ian

I too had a somewhat heated exchange with H5, few months ago, about Tikka T3 rifles; for some reasons he loathes those rifles without owning one, while I love my T3 lite cal 270WSM. Of course he was quite aggressive in his posts, since I told that I'm happy with my T3, that is light, accurate and has a light and crisp trigger. Here is his reply:

Unfortunately some people, having brought but not fully appreciating what it was they had paid good bucks for, continue to plead the case for the T3. Their numbers are slowly diminishing as more and more problems become publicised. There'll be a few die hards I'm sure who will continue to promote it against the rising tide of opinion.

I certainly imagine that some poeple aren't happy with their T3 and that isn't a problem to me, but he cannot bear that somebody can like the rifle and, above all, that somebody can disagree with him. I've observed some of H5's often harsh/desagreeable posts, since his appearance on last August, and IMO, he is an unpleasant fellow indeed, out of place in this polite and classy European room.

Gents,

It seems H5 has stirred up a hornets nest on here..I've deleted a couple of speculative posts about names ect as I don't think such posts on the public forum will do anything but make matters worse.

By all means exchange information by PM's and I am especially interested in any suspected trolls, but the best course of public action is to ignore them as any attention given allows them to stir up continued bad feelings..

Regards,

Peter