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Re: 8x57??
23 September 2004, 10:34
carcano91Re: 8x57??
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May I add that 8x57 is illegal in France like any other military calibres 223, 308, 30-06...
I am using a French civilian MAS 36 hunting rifle in 8x60 "Magnum", made in 1947. Good gun, and the integrated muzzle brake is quite useful. Wish I could find a MAS 36 in 10,75x68...
Carcano, dreaming
22 September 2004, 12:30
<capt david>Why isn't the 8x57 more popular in Europe? It seems that it is hardly ever mentioned as a 'European' round. capt david
22 September 2004, 18:03
Dr. DucIf Germany had won WW1 we'd all be using the 8x57. Notice I didn't say WW2.
22 September 2004, 14:18
Grizzly AdamsHello;
From the German forum I like to visit, these guys seem to be oriented towards american calibers, including the big ones you wouldn't think they had a use for. I don't think there have been any recent european calibers that have been a commercial success. I woud guess their 8x57 are dissapearing for the same reasons some other military calibers are, the supply of cheap ammunition is dried up.
Grizz
23 September 2004, 01:00
mhoQuote:
May I add that 8x57 is illegal in France like any other military calibres 223, 308, 30-06......
Ah yes, I forgot that for a moment. I think that goes for Belgium as well, or what (Andre, you there?)??
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I know there is two kinds of 8x57, one has its primer smeared with black paint. A mistake is to be fear. May be it' one reason for this calibre is set apart.
Yes, this is the royal mess about 8x57I(R) vs. 8x57I(R)S. Presumably at some time, the Germans decided to move from a .318" to a .323" bore, and STILL keep the 8mm designation - calling the .323" bore "S". I have always found that a somewhat incomprehensible decision. At least one could have changed the caliber designation (other than the misery "S"). But there it is... The black primers indicate a .323" bore, so don't use this ammo in a .318" bore rifle...
What a totally maniac decision on the Germans' part at the time... (shaking my head in disbelief...) 
- mike
22 September 2004, 22:11
jbderunzMay I add that 8x57 is illegal in France like any other military calibres 223, 308, 30-06......
8x57JRS is hunting-legal in double.
I know there is two kinds of 8x57, one has its primer smeared with black paint. A mistake is to be fear. May be it' one reason for this calibre is set apart.
Hi mho, my answer is coming.
Jean Bernard
22 September 2004, 21:48
mhoLots of 8x57I(R)S in use where I hunt. Don't know why anyone would get the impression the round is not popular in (Central) Europe?
- mike
22 September 2004, 20:59
DeerdogsAll the major rifle and ammo manufacturers in Europe seem to offer the 8x57.
I have owned both a Mannlicher and a Heym in this calibre. It is a first class cartridge for boar, stag and African plains game. There is still vast amounts of military surplus ammo available.
I traded my last 8x57 for a 318WR and I have available 8x57JS RCBS X dies and 150+ pieces of RWS and Norma brass if anyone wants to make me an offer...
22 September 2004, 20:08
jbderunz8x57 is revitalized with the 8x57 IRS. This calibre is not as mechanism-punching as 7x65R in double and therefore very appreciated in double, especially in cheap ones. Little recoil, little rifle-strain.
A funny thing,8mm (280) is a cursed calibre.
Jean Bernard
22 September 2004, 20:22
HenrikHere in Sweden you'll see a decent number of 8x57 users but the are generally older men with their trusted guns. There's a lot of very niced used gun in circulation in 8x57 but almost no new ones. And all the youngsters want to use something new and "modern" not the same cartridge as their father and grandpa is using. Since we get a lot of our trends from U.S there's a tendency among the younger hunters to think that they need a magnum not a "old mans cartridge".
Best Regards
Henrik
06 October 2004, 01:47
MilesSir,
the 8x57 IS and 8x57 IRS are still very much alive and well in Germany and much of europe. In France, military claibers are not allowed so there you only see the 8X57 IRS.
20 February 2010, 08:48
lickilovacthere is no need for magnm calibre, germany fought 2 wars with same cartidge,and this cartridge is very well balanced, my father took probably over 200 hundred wild boars with 8x57jrs which is same as 8x57js, i rather cary 8x57jrs tat 338 winchester
20 February 2010, 18:49
yesACTUALLY 8X57 IS ONE OF THE MOST BALANCED AND MOST EFFECTIVE HUNTING CARTRIDGES IN THE WORLD. it has been used allmost everwhere in the wrld to take allmost every kind of games. it is capable round with good killing power for average big games and very pleasnt to shoot loaded with european norms it can do allmost every thing a 3006 can do if not better.
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03 March 2010, 20:55
Artemis1I have 4 Mausers in 8x57JS. It is a great round for anything in Europe.
