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Whats wrong with useing the smallest possible caliber for everyday hunting, waiting for the perfect shot? And at the same time enjoying the insurance of a larger caliber ( 9.3x74R ) on driven game, where even an expert might be off some inches? O.K., if I have a hard hunt, draggin the gun hills up and down, rain everyday, only two days for the trophy of a lifetime, I take a ( Mauser actioned ) bolt. Its called hunting, not shooting! Hermann | ||
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More info on hunting and calibers please. I would love to know how alpine hunting is different. I assume up and down the Alps, or more park like? capt david  | |||
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According to what I've read, hunting chamois can resemble mountain climbing with hunting. In extreme cases, it combines rock climbing with hunting. As such, the utility of a breakdown rifle that can fit into a climber's rucksack is obvious. Since in the NA mountains, most hunters go by horseback, such a design is not so badly needed. Now, if there is among the brotherhood a seriously macho type who hunts white goat and carried his total kit on his back that man has good reason to buy a kiplaufbuchse. Clearer, now? | |||
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Quote:. . . and very beautiful, expensive, of minimal use in North American because of the difference between Alpine game and ours, but really really desirable Quote: | |||
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my 7x57 rigby mauser is called a stalking rifle in europe | |||
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They are also known as Kipplauf rifles. Single shot break open rifle. Very light and often used for hunting in the mountains. Cheers, Andr� | |||
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I have read/seen references to these rifles. I believe that most are single shots. Would someone please enlighten me on these guns and style of hunting? Thanks, capt david | |||
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Gentlemen: methinks that "stalking rifle" is no more than just the translation of the common term Pirschb�chse. A term that could mean very different rifles, which have little in common... Carcano | |||
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Bowhunting apart, Oldsarge is always right. A Kipplaufb�chse is a costly light break openl gun. It�s richly engraved and very expensive. The design is to bring it dismounted in the rucksack if need be. Many snobbish hunters use it to stalk or on highstand. Moreover it�s an expensive toy which flatters its so called one-shot owner. I don�t like it for 4 reasons, price apart : 1) one cannot double should one wound a game 2) because of the break open facility the gun is by far not as rigid as a rifle and consequently less accurate, short barrel apart, 3) the recoil is often painful , because of its lightness 4) one is not ready when the chamois of your life is passing and your connoisseur�s arm dangles in 4 parts in your sack  . .Every year I have a try in the Alps and ever bring a 300W rifle along, no Kipplauf.Available calibres, say Blaser K95 : 22Hornet, 222Rem, 5.6x50R Mag, 243Win, 6.5x57R, 6.5x65R RWS, 6.5x68R (barrel burner), 270Win,7x57R, 7x65R, 7Rem Mag, 30R Blaser,300WM, 300Wby, 8x57IRS, 8x68S, 8x75RS,9.3x74R. Kind regards Jean Bernard | |||
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Wow, a 300 for chamois? Do you find much of the front shoulders after the shot? Kipplaufs look really great, but most people these days seem to put huge 3.5-10x50 scopes on them which seems to ruin the balance etc. | |||
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Quote: Not in Europe Only in Great Britain :-) :-D. Carcano | |||
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Quote: Does the barrel say 275 Rigby ? Cheers, Andr� | |||
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Quote: Actually, the German term "Kipplaufb�chse" simply designates a breaktop rifle with a single barrel - as oposed to multiple barrel combinations, shot and/or rifle. Per-se there is nothing that indicates it has to be expensive or even expensively engraved. However, it is true that the Kipplaufb�chsen have traditionally been a popular field for the high class Austrian gunsmith - in particular from Ferlach. Those guns are indeed quite often priced above the norm, and are heavily engraved. Quote: With most traditional breaktop guns (single or multiple barrels) this is probably a true statement. However, there are Kipplaufb�chsen (Blaser and Merkel spring to mind) that use an extremely strong lockup (Jaeger lock). Not only does this allow them to shoot high pressure cartridges, with no danger of ever becoming loose. In addition, the Blasers are some of the most accurate factory rifles you can pick up anywhere. Ask pretty much anybody who owns one. Anyway, just thought I'd break a lance for (at least some of the) Kipplaufs... - mike | |||
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A wonderful posting, Sieur de Runz ;-), just wonderful ! I share many of your feelings on these expensive Scheiring Mi�geburten etc. *grin*. Quote: I have celebrated your posting by putting the wonderful old Boris Vian chanson from the 1950s on my disc-player again... "Je suis snobbbbbb..." Yours, Carcano (adamant admirer of the 9x63 M/88 "Florstedt-Patrone") | |||
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You do not have to be a snob, or hunting the Alps to enjoy a Kipplauf. I used my Blaser K-95 Stutzen in 308 to take a black bear in Idaho last week. Usually when hunting in thick forest over bait one shot is all you will get, just make it count. My K-95 is one of the most accurate hunting rifles I have ever shot. | |||
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Carcano91, you are too kind, you compassion will ruin you, deine Anmut wird dich ruiniert. I like Boris Vian as well. About snoberry. I lost a couple of friends for I was to nasty about Kiplaufs. A chance I didn�t write that these arms are so deeply engraved that one could believe they are especially designed for the blind (Braille)  . One can be stunned to see the same people choosing the smallest possible calibres for their Kiplauf and simultaneously choosing the biggest calibres for driven-hunting . Of course, I love fine guns but what about them if you fear to take them along when it�s raining . Getting old I am more and more prone to opt for sturdy rifles which can (and do) work in any conditions and environments. I have a Ferlach double which I didn�t use more than 5 times. Boghossian is fully right about the balance and the look should a large scope be rigged on it.Jean Bernard | |||
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