Brenneke launched a new bullet called TAG (torpedo alternative bullet) check them here.

Interesting, another sign of the possible incoming lead ban; anyway, I will continue to use ordinary bullets (often bonded or partitions) as long as they will be available.

I am a bit concerned about the fragmentation, specially in driven hunts. In some of my hunts they have already outlawed the H-mantel and the French GPA bullets, which have been nicknamed "dog killers" because of ricochet.

Possibly the most stupid bullet I have ever seen.

Mark

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Originally posted by MarkH:
Possibly the most stupid bullet I have ever seen.

Mark

That is a very profound analysis, Mark. I take it, it is based on actual experience with the product??
- mike

Hi Mike

My profound analysis and is based on long discussions with ballistics experts.
I have no experience with this bullet and would'nt want any. I do however shoot monometal bullets in 7x64, 375 H+H and 458 Lott as my No.1 hunting bullet. I can't see any good element in this bullet. Its not aerodynamic, internal/external ballistics are also poor and I presume velocity needs to be kept low to reduce excessive breech pressure. Reduced velocity then required a plastic tip to assist in opening on impact.
I shoot KJG by Lutz Moeller.
These are the 7mm

and these in 375.

I presume your a German speaker, check this website out.
http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/
As a hunting bullet they are fantastic in all calibers as 4 deer this past two weeks can prove.

Regards

Mark

Hey Mark, I have absolutely no problem with you not liking what you saw in a new product, personal experience or not. I did find your last post a lot more articulated and your reasoning a lot more understandable, though.

- mike

Interesting in the marketing literature that they are proud of a 2.8cm group at 100m. If that is ideal conditions in factory ammo at 200m without outside influences you could end up 10cm low. Not good on roe.
This is usually a function of high pressure peaks to get the bullet moving through the barrel. Moly coating helps but not that much.

Mark

Mark

As I see it, it is another move in the direction others already went - aerodynamics aside (if I understood correctly the main goal is driven hunts, with reds and boars in mind - short shooting distances) - observing just what we could derive from its expected terminal effects, I guess we could draw some conclusions from other fragmenting bullets already in use - they differ in amount, size and number of fragments...

GPA bullet:



RWS bionic yellow:


Saed's Walterhogs:



and nevertheless also Lutz's KJG's:

I find it interesting how some makers of mono-metal bullets conciously seem to strive for fragmentation. Another group of manufacturers seem to go in a different direction, attempting to keep bullet together.

I'm not about to pass judgement on what works and what does not, but the difference in approach is interesting to observe.

- mike

Hi Guys

If you leave the black cap off the KJG and end up with a bullet for driven hunting. THe link posted will show terminal ballistics of the 9.5mm @ 1040m/s with the black aerodynamic cap on.
http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/Englisch/375H&H.htm
The fallow yearling was standing behing a tree at 50m and the only shot was the shoulder hence the large entrance wound. On a lung shot the initial fragmentation occurs at @2-5 cm and the fragment are large and travel about 10cm confining the damage to the chest cavity. THe bullet then return to being a flat ended 10mm cylinder with deep penetrating qualities and leaved a good but not excessive exit wound.

Mark

Nevertheless I do like the cuting edge on most of the Brenneke products - it does make you feel better in cases when bullet don't exit but leaves some hair on the spot and leaves an open hole for bleeding. On fragments - it would be great if we could estimate the actual effect the fragments have on game, or even more important (for me that is) after hiting obstacle infront of the game...

Bit offtopic - I could understand the point behind the FS (fang geschoss = coupe the grace) bullet by RWS

however IMO this idea is only good on paper - coupe the grace (based on my experience) is usually given in a dense cover and it gives me a creep just to think about taking it with FS - it would appear an effective "dog killer" as stated by bobby above - how about other bullets named above - any thoughts?

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Originally posted by mouse93:
Nevertheless I do like the cuting edge on most of the Brenneke products - it does make you feel better in cases when bullet don't exit but leaves some hair on the spot and leaves an open hole for bleeding.

I agree, and strangely enough the "sharp edge" idea (German: "Scharfrand") has largely stayed a European idea. The Germans tend to go this way, and Czechs (S&B) as well. It is great to have a well defined and freely bleeding hole on both sides of the animal.

I can certainly see your and Bobby's objections to fragmenting bullets and dogs in close combat...

- mike

For more info about copper bullets take a peak at this htread in the big-bore forum
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/368107476

Mark