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Quote: Minor nit here Alvaro, Sind Ibex is found (or hunted) in Pakistan, not Africa. There is abother (rare) African Ibex species - Walia from Ethiopia, if any of them are still left?? Pretty good information above. Not too much to add, but one can always try... There are at least 2 additional ibex forms in Caucasus - known under the common designation "Tur". The Western form has horns that look much like a shorter version of an Asian or Alpine Ibex. The further East you go, the more the Tur has the curved (out, in, out) resembling a little bit some of Spanish Ibex forms. Although Caucusus is a troubled part of the World these days, it is still possible to hunt Tur - at least in North Ossetia and possibly also in Azerbaijan (sp?). The Tur is rumoured to be the biggest Ibex in body size, but I'm sure one could argue long about something like that. Alpine Ibex, which you have seen on your trip to Mont Blanc, can be hunted in Switzerland (loooong waiting list, not cheap!), or in Austria (probably even more expensive). I seem to remember that Slovenia also offered Ibex hunting?? The Alpine Ibex is smaller than the Asian variants, a good trophy Alpine Ibex starts around 90 cm. 100 cm is pretty outstanding. For a first time Ibex hunter, in particular from your part of the world, there is a lot that speaks for heading to one of the Central Asian destinations. Trophies are the largest you can find for this type of Ibex (excluding the Bezoar type), prices are about as low as you'll find anywhere, and hunting can be very good and hard. Over the last years, with more and more destinations opening up in Central Asia, records have been shattered time and again. A good Ibex from Central Asia would start at 110cm, 120 would not be unrealistic, at 130cm the air gets thin, and above that is record territory (140 cm and up). There are several excellent destinations. A lot of US hunters prefer to head to Mongolia - in spite of the somewhat smaller trophies. They claim less uncertainty and better organization. I have had good results in the former Russian parts of Central Asia, and these days Kirgistan or Kazakhstan probably offer the best chances for a top trophy. The Russian Altai is another very beautiful destination. From Europe, it would be realistic to take a good Asian Ibex for something like US$5000, including airfare. European prices are often based on a sliding scale for trophy size, although for these hunts the difference in price is not as bad as it gets in Europe - where taking a big trophy can make or break the bank...  . This PDF document (in German, I'm afraid) contains prices as they are typically offered in Europe. It may vary a bit from shop to shop: Asian Ibex Offered by Mistral in Austria. The only other Ibex that comes close to the Asian variants in horn size is the Bezoar of Turkey and Iran. Bezoar are a different species with different horn configuration (has a "keel" along the front of the horn). Top Bezoar can proabbly approach Asian Ibex in terms of horn length. Probably a fair deal more expensive than the Asian hunts. An ibex stinks like anything when taken in the rut, consider that if you want one mounted. You might find your latest addition to your trophy wall banned by the missus of the house  . At least among the Asian trophies, if you are looking for anything but a skull mount, the later you go in the year, the more impressive the capes become. Also, the Ibex tend to be lower later in the season (October-November), but unfortunately the weather also gets worse.Bring enough gun if you want to hunt Ibex. A big 7mm or a .300 of some sort would be about ideal. Shots can be long, and the animals are considerable more stocky than North American mountain game, say (possible exception: Mt. Goat). What do you use to hunt Tahr in NZ?? Of the Asian destinations, Kirgistan and Tadjikistan (sp?) are probably the most alpine - little vegetation found in hunting area, rocks and high altitude (often in excess of 4000 m). In Kasachstan and Altai hunts are conducted at lower altitude (2-3000m), and hunting areas are often wooded. Almost all Asian destinations (Tadjikistan probably being the exception) rely on the help of horses for hunting. All in all, go for it! This is one of the remaining few great mountain hunting adventures that can be had for a relatively reasonable price (not counting Tahr in NZ, naturally  ).- mike | ||
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The adress of a specialist of Asia about ibex, goat and sheep. Every rare game of Asia could be provided. seladang | |||
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The walia or abyssinian ibex is protected with about 200 individuals left in the wild. Of course if you happen to have a 7.62x39 SKS handy and happen to hit one, then happen to take it home and eat it....happens frequently I am sure. I believe the alpine ibex has been successfully transplanted in Argentina, but this may be in highfenced preserves, I am unsure. I know the bezoar ibex has been successfully introduced to New Mexico but it is damn hard to draw a tag (once in a lifetime). My dad hunted them about 3 weeks ago in Iran and was unsuccessful in securing a shot (offered a shot at 570 yards, but turned it down  ) I'll post a pic or two later Oh yea, he's giving it another bash in mid January | |||
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The Spanish are overly proud of their ibex. I live in Spain and we have Ronda Ibex about an hour away. You can whack a gold metal Ronda Ibex for E4000, with Luis Ruiz at 34 918 702 293 is his phone number. He is a booking agent in Madrid. The ones that go to Safari club love charging Americans, Canadians, Kiwis, and Aussies $10,000 for the much smaller Spanish Ibex species. SO NO, DON'T DO IT THAT'S A CRAPPY DEAL! Your trio is worth at least as much as a big gold medal Austrian Alpine ibex. You know you could fly to Kazakstan, Kygizia, or Mongolia and whack 4 of them for US $10,000. The the stans and Russia they have Mid-Asian ibex. This is the biggest ibex in the world, with the biggest horns. You could fly to Mongolia and whack 2 ibex and 4 gazelles for US $10,000. You should also know that Spanish Ibex and Persian-Bezoar Ibex are not a true ibex but a wild goat. True Ibex have knobs on their horns. Ibex, Tur, and Markhor are all true goats "capra", just like the angora goats we have at home in Wyoming. Just because the big name Spanish outfitters charge non-Euros those prices don't get screwed on that deal. | |||
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www.safarioutfitters.com www.thetrophyconnection.com www.huntingconsortium.com I have used all of the above they all speak English as a first language and are all long time members of Safari Club. The hunting consortium and Safari Outfitters have been in business forever and opened most of the Asian hunting programs. I reccomend all of them strongly. All 3 are based in the US and are probably better for a Kiwi to use than some European company. If you do want to use a Euro company www.diana.dk is one of the biggest ones in the world. Easily as big or bigger than any of the top 3. www.cabelas.com also books hunts. They are the largest supplier of hunting goods in the world. Something to think about. | |||
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I would either hunt the biggest bezoar possible (goat or no goat, I want one!) in Iran OR hunt mid-asian + wapiti in the "stans"... | |||
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Bog, that wasn't meant to be dirogatory! I want all of them, but I am going to work on them over a few years and hopefully before I croak I get to whack one of each. | |||
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I know mate, I was kidding. Actually I like these odd facts about the animals we hunt. | |||
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