Are these guns pretty much dead?

I always wanted one, and should have bought the only one I have ever seen in my life. I gues I couldn't justify $900 for a rifle in a cartridge that I had never seen that was designed for game we don't have in North America.

Now the lust is back and I have to find one again.

Seen any lurking in dark old corners of Scandanavian gunshops anywhere?

There is one on gunbroker, but the guy wants $1600 for it and another $300 for the dies and accessories.

Did most people shoot them with a scope?

Anyone still hunting with this thing for Caperecallie, Fox, and black grouse?

The Sakos in 7x33 is more rare than a henstooth and are most loved here in Sweden, they are permitted for red deer and fox but most people use them for Quail, grouse, Ptharmigan, unless above the threeline in the fjälls, and all other black forestbirds.

They are great and with a blunt 7 mm FMJ they dont damage the meat at all.

There was one at the local gun auction last month, about 400 USD on the strike.

A small scope like a 22 mm Pecar in the 11 mm original mounts is the ...

The pecars came in 4x, 6x and 1,5-6x X32

When you find one, keep it, love it, hunt it.

Best regards Christian.

We still have them around, but they are getting a bit rare already. Those who use them, usually regard the 7x33 as one of the most reliable and least meat destroying cartridge for capercaillie and black grouse. They are most commonly used without a scope, I think.

You can find them here from gunshops any day. Going price for a good conditioned one is around 500 €. Would love one myself, but I've got to get some other guns first...

There's one in here for example: http://www.ase-ami.fi/pages/kivaarit.html

Nice website JTH. Just wait until 1894 sees this, he may well clean the shop out - he has this thing about Sakos...

The 7x33:

http://www.ase-ami.fi/pages/bilder/aseet/kiivaarit/sako%20l46/sako.htm

is a funny one. Itcertainly looks like an L46 (as it is labeled) in many respects - e.g. detachable magazine and bolt stop. But the safety looks like a swing safety - much like a Mauser. I have never run into that before...



- mike

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Originally posted by mho:
Itcertainly looks like an L46 (as it is labeled) in many respects - e.g. detachable magazine and bolt stop. But the safety looks like a swing safety - much like a Mauser. I have never run into that before...

- mike

That seems to be one of the earlier models. Those had the leaf-like safety on the left side of the action and the later models had the lever safety on the right side. One in the pictures seems to be in good condition, so it might be worth considering if anyone wants to have one.

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Originally posted by mho:
Nice website JTH. Just wait until 1894 sees this, he may well clean the shop out - he has this thing about Sakos...
- mike

I have spent 2 years of the collecting budget in the last 2 months so I fully expect to see the best examples now I am broke!

Allways thought the 7x33 would make a stunning close range muntjac and roe cartridge.

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Originally posted by 1894mk2:
I have spent 2 years of the collecting budget in the last 2 months so I fully expect to see the best examples now I am broke!

This is the third inevitable in life - in addition to "death and taxes"...

- mike

You Contenintals are always envious of the relatively low prices we Yanks pay for guns. Now the tables are turned! I'd shell out 500 Euros in a heartbeat for a 7x33! The same goes for a 7.62x39, which I understand Sako chambered for the European market, but only a handful made it to the left side of the Atlantic.

Stonecreek,

FYI, Finland and Sweden are not continental Europe!

The continent refers to those lands directly connected to mainland Europe, so that excludes Turkey, Iceland, the British Isles, and Norden (or Scandnavia as it is called in the new World).

The one I didn't buy way back in 1998 was $650. So they are out there, just rare.

And as you can see from my address, I'm no "Yank", either, but if the "Continentals" should call me one, I'll know what they're talking about.

The Finns had loads of 9mm ammo after the war and also tools for the 9mm ammo was in wast quantities.

SO they did an experiment, they wanted to see how far the ycould stretch an 9mm case to see how long it was before they had to stop.

They came to 33 mm and they loaded it with their 7mm bullet for a fine smallgame round.

The Sako rifle reminds me alittle bit like an civillian version of the Destroyer carbine.

fine rifle and a fine cartridge for small game hunting.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
And as you can see from my address, I'm no "Yank", either, but if the "Continentals" should call me one, I'll know what they're talking about.

Hmm, Yank is an older term than Reb. And all Rebs were Yanks before the war started. America is similarly sized to Europe and we have similar defining lines all over our nation. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone outside of Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and the UK that uses the term Yank. Especially in mainland a.k.a. continental europe.

I am from the West and no place I call home was a state or territory during the Civil war. I hate being told I am a Northerner by those in the South almost as much as I hate being told that Wyoming is in the mid-west by some not so geographically mindful on the east coast.

I would call you a Texan, rarely a southerner and even more rarely a Westerner. Even though Texas is in the southern half of the USA, was a slave state, and is is also in the western half of the USA. I think Texas is big enough to have it's own regional lines, and "Texan" seems to work well enough.

Though on of my favorite things is to remind Texans that if Texas was twice as big as it it is it would still be the 2nd largest state.

Love that new Tracy Byrd song "Pride is the biggest thing in Texas".

Sound observations, D99.

It seems that the popularization of the term "Yank" (short, of course for Yankee, a term dating to at least the 18th Century if not before) occured during the first World War and carried over into the second World War. It was most often used by the British Commonwealth allies of the U.S. as applied to American troops (and material, for that matter). As such, it hardly mattered that an individual American soldier might be from Alabama and abhor the term "Yankee", he was still a "Yank" to the Brits. Just as similarly, Americans tended to refer to British soldiers as "Limeys", even though that term originated with sailors.

It is probably true that very few natives of the British Isles would identify with the term "Continental", but then they reject most things associated with the "mainland" such as the Euro and driving on the side of the road that god intended (why else would Henry Ford have put the steering wheel on the left?)

Putting a label on people from Texas is indeed difficult. Most of East Texas was populated via immigration from the Old South, and is very Southern in climate as well as culture. North Texas/Panhandle is geographically a part of the Great Plains. Central Texas was originally populated primarily with immigrants directly from Central Europe (German states, Czech, etc.) and a mixture of English-Scotch-Irish from the U.S., so it has its own unique flavor. South Texas is highly influenced by Mexico and a large Hispanic population. And far West Texas is much more like New Mexico and Arizona. Gratefully, there is a term which applies to all equally and is unambiguous and universally understood: Texan.