Steve

For shame!

You of all people should know that Gnu muzzle energy is completely dependant on the calibre of your Wildebeast - and that it is all a co-efficient of the velocity of said muzzle!

Let's not even get into the pelage data!

Rgds

Ian

Amir was advising me that I should Moly coat my gnu...



FB

quote:

Originally posted by Andre Mertens:
Steve, a .270 130 grainer may be OK for English and Scottish reds but don't forget our continental stags do reach over 200 kg (440 lbs.), dressed weight, and even more if you go East.

So do our Engish ones!

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
Amir was advising me that I should Moly coat my gnu...



FB

Indeed, it's bit of an arse getting all the ingredients in the tumbler but according to the reloading book with a moly coating my gnu.06 will have bullistics of a .gnuuu magnum out to 500 yards at least.

The effect will be less pronounced in Kiri's gnu08 but life is boring without adventure.

Ian seems to be the expert on the basis of the thread so far, Ian what sort of penetration to you get from a Gnu mate?

Always interesting lunch hour reading these type threads

I figure it's kinda like this, there's two different categories here, the one where you hunt out your back door, tags cheap or no trophy fee, can hunt anytime or all the time, use a Hornet if you want or a 375H&H, no big deal.

But, if you're going to pay sizeable trophy fee, out of state or country tag, limited hunting days, shot may very well NOT be 100m broadside, etc, why take a marginal caliber?

I like a 30 cal hole going in and out, preferably with enough horsepower to go end to end. If you get a 100m broadside, great, put down your 30 and pick up your Hornet.

So, I'll go with min 30-06 180grainers or preferably 300WM. Go smaller if you're meat hunting close to home, your 6.5 or 270 will work just fine then, given reasonable restraint on shot angle and distance, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Dom, I certainly see where you are coming from. On the other hand, either because of cultural norms or the revenues derived from venison sales - I have never seen a European guide that allows clients to take either texas heart shots or shots over (roughly) 250-300m.

This means a super-magnum, capable of penetrating a couple good sized red stags from stem to stern would be 'wasted' as the guide will generally insist on a nearly broadside target at 200m or less...that said, I think your choice of an '06 or winmag is probably ideal for most concievable situations.

That is just from my experience of hunting red deer in the Czech republic, Slovakia, Scotland and Ireland.

quote:

This means a super-magnum, capable of penetrating a couple good sized red stags from stem to stern would be 'wasted' as the guide will generally insist on a nearly broadside target at 200m or less...that said, I think your choice of an '06 or winmag is probably ideal for most concievable situations.

There's a lot of sense there. As previously posted I like my 308Win and it has always done the job for me, but with either the 30-06 or 300WM I'm starting to see where the 180-220gr bullet sizes and the downrange retained energy might just come in a bit handy.

Using this rationale & given my cabinet now holds a 260Rem which shoots 140gr bullets, I have been contemplating the possibility of swithching the 308 for the 30-06 for my abroad hunting.

These things alway need to be given some due thought!!

FB

Kiri, I am planning on the same swap myself. Once I get the 260 running - hopefully by the end of the month, I am going to swap the 270 barrel on the Sauer for a 30/06.

I think the 06 will be hard to beat as a travelling gun.

Is it an offence to molycoddle your GNU?

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:

How a little yellow dot can show so much "Smug" is beyond me....




Brian,

You may have a point there actually, but given the Sauer's flexibilitiy perhaps keeping the 308 and also buying a spare barrel in say.... 8x57?

FB

Kiri, how right you are...... - the smug thing I mean.

My only thought on the Sauer barrel is, if you are concerned about the military calibre thing, a 7x64 might be the way to go.

As far as I can see, the mil cal thing is only really an issue in France now.

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
As far as I can see, the mil cal thing is only really an issue in France now.

Correct, Belgium does no longer segregate military calibers. As a consequence, I immediately bought a .30-06 bbl. for my 202. So far, I only used the latter on Roedeer and, honestly, I fail to see any difference in accuracy and killing efficiency as compared to the original 7x64 bbl. Of course, I'm talking of 165 GK (.308) vs. 160 GK (.284). No doubt, differences may show up when heavier bullets are used against bigger critters.

quote:

Originally posted by Boghossian:


This means a super-magnum, capable of penetrating a couple good sized red stags from stem to stern would be 'wasted' as the guide will generally insist on a nearly broadside target at 200m or less...

we need energy to kill, lots of energy.

that why i'm thinking of loading my .300Wby
with a 125gr Ballistic tip to 3500-3700fs or so.
that load will surpass any '06 load, and its pretty close to .375 energies, which means i can shoot everything with it, including buffalo and elephant.

quote:

Originally posted by Steffen:

quote:

Originally posted by Boghossian:


This means a super-magnum, capable of penetrating a couple good sized red stags from stem to stern would be 'wasted' as the guide will generally insist on a nearly broadside target at 200m or less...

we need energy to kill, lots of energy.

that why i'm thinking of loading my .300Wby
with a 125gr Ballistic tip to 3500-3700fs or so.
that load will surpass any '06 load, and its pretty close to .375 energies, which means i can shoot everything with it, including buffalo and elephant.

May I offer you my moly-coating advisory services?

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:

How a little yellow dot can show so much "Smug" is beyond me....


FB

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Kiri, how right you are...... - the smug thing I mean.

quote:

that why i'm thinking of loading my .300Wby
with a 125gr Ballistic tip to 3500-3700fs or so.
that load will surpass any '06 load, and its pretty close to .375 energies, which means i can shoot everything with it, including buffalo and elephant.

I imagine that has an incredibly flat trajectory! Though I might change the bullet for an elephant hunt...

What... what.... what......

Did somebody mention ELEPHANTS ?

I have been missing this thread having been away for the past 03 weeks shooting in Slovenia ....

Where are the elephants ?

How far ?

How many ?

..............................

quote:

Originally posted by Boghossian:

I imagine that has an incredibly flat trajectory!

i would guess so, but i would also guess that it would useless for about anything

The Red stag is not difficult to bring to grass.
I've shot them with the 222 and the 375 and most calibres twixt the two. The ones I like are the 6.5x55, 7x57, 30-06 and the 9.3x62, all four cartridges kill very well.
The 270 is a very good cartridge I just don't like it, too much roar and flash. The above four rounds are all loaded to lower chamber pressures.
than the 270.

The 270 is a pointless calibre when there is the 25-06.

IF a .270's flash bang offends you, fit a mod!

moderators is for poachers

Better still a muzzle break.

quote:

Originally posted by DJM:
Better still a muzzle break.

Better again get a 7x57

Muzzle brakes are for for people who like to share their flash / bangs!!

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Latham:
Muzzle brakes are for for people who like to share their flash / bangs!!

As in black eyes?



Shooting 3 feet from one is a frequent pleasure I have at Bisley....

Mostly on tactical style 223s of things!

Couple points seem to be surfacing here.

1. Mentioning industrial grade lubrication and Gnu in the same sentence is just sick!

2. Any medium calibre cartridge will do the job in this instance.

3. Unfortunately, many countires holding a shootable population of the 'big five' will mandate a minimum bullet diameter of .375", perhaps something to be born in mind before stoking up a 30 cal? Otherwise, should we consider the 22/250 as suitable for Heffalumps - with a suitable bullet?

4. Amir. Can I share in the smugness - just a little?

Rgds

Ian

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:

For the next couple of weeks I will be trawling guntrader for an 8x68S. Even though i've already got a 30.06....


All the best,

Amir

Amir, there's one for sale here in OZ, a Mauser 66 in excellent condition. I was seriously thinking about it, but went with the 6.5x55 instead.

quote:

Originally posted by oldun:

quote:

Originally posted by DJM:
Better still a muzzle break.

Better again get a 7x57

It has always been my observation that no matter what the caliber,,,sorry,,forgot the forum,,calibre,,rifle type,,animal,,range etc.,,,the most important component is the trigger actuating nut,,,,other than that......."".shooting/hunting is fun and games""as Jack O'Connor would say,......so HAVE AT IT!!!

but they didn't have short mags i JOC's days, so that mentality is no longer valid

hello boy

in my district we are six hunters and the calipers are: 2 use 338lm 2 use 308win one use 224 weatherby and I use the 6.5x55
by by

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224 weatherby

seriously?

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double??? troubles !

probably the best signature line i've ever seen, welcome to the forums.

Awww I was enjoying the gnu discussion. I've just got my new gnu back from the gunsmiths where they have blued the barrel, blacked the action, and trued the bolt lugs. Therefore tis now a black and blue, brand new, trued gnu. I think with a little imagination we could better Dr Seuss with this one.


btw back in the bad ol days in ireland, a friend of mine used to use his ideal red and sika cartridge. It was in a Mauser 66 and according to him used to kill things like lightning. I haveno reason to disbelieve him as I live in mortal fear of suffering stab injuries from all the trophys every time I visit him.

Data below:

introduced in the late 30's designed by the German gunsmith Ernest August Vom Hofe.

For example, the 5,6 X 61, which used an oddball .228 diameter bullet, fired an absurdly long bullet (77 grain) resulting in a fenomenal ballistic coefficient and developed a fantastic muzzle energy of 2495 ft/lb!!! (345 kgm)...we are in high intensity .30 caliber energy territory folks....the 220 Swift or the 224 Weatherby don't even come close....

at 328 yards (300 meters) the 5,6 X 61 Super Express retained 1278 ft/lb of energy......the same of a 223 Remington at the muzzle....

That should set the gnus amongst the piginns

well i think a .243 is more than capable


but the meat damage





luckily i prefer the 30-06

Richard, you look like you have been Gnue'd, Oh , sorry It needs rotating

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Latham:
How much powder will I need to launch my Gnu at the recommended muzzle energy?

I don't Gnu.



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Taxi!

Cheers Steve
all sorted
blooming Gnu's don't half hurt the next morning

My 7x57 Mauser with 156gr. Oryx bullet would be certainly a fine medicine.