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Might as well shut down the forums and get back to work in that case.

Most shot is in 50-100yards range in Sweden. 6,5 works up to 150yards strait side shot.Problems is when it come to driven hunt and no perfect shots.

Matts

Savage-99,

I as a Swede can state the following,

1. you are at fault reading those reports, there is an ongoing scandinavian study being made, the idea is to readress the issues with the smaller cals like 6,5x55 being used for moose and if there is real difference in real use. Second the use of monolith bullets are being evaluated

2. I have hunted since I was five, acctually attended my first moose hunt the winter I turned five and I am thirty four years old today,

There are no game wardens in Sweden,

never has been never will,

there are keepers and there are jaktlagsledare, hunt sponsors or head keepers.

As for any sort of monitoring of the hunt, all kills are being registred and paid for, all hunting is done according to a plan and given permits,

3. every studie that has yet to be delivered, as the one belove,

has found that the larger/heavier cals are doing slightly better than the lesser ones,

second the average shot at a moose is at less than 50 meters.

To even find a place where you have 300 meters range to shoot at you would have to to high up north, and even there a 300 meter shot at a uninjured moose is considered a breach of hunters etics and you would be asked to leave.

In Swedens shots are considerbly shorter than in most other countries and our etics are ruled by those ideas that if you cant get in closer than 150 meters on a moose well then you are just not doing it right.

Savage, are you doing/posting this just to piss people off?

Get your info straight or stay out.

Best regards Chris

Study

http://www.finnskogenalg.nu/kaliber9097.pdf

Here is the basis for the study,



http://www.jagareforbundet.se/...kn_2005A32.pdf

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Originally posted by Savage_99:

"Check out Swedens game management reports. In sweden a game warden is required to be with you to hunt moose and he records number of shots required, what bullet, what caliber and distance traveled after the shot. What an eye opener. The 6.5 swede has as many 1 shot kills as the 375 h&h and distanced traveled after the hit was only 1 yard less than the 375. So in my limited experence pick a caliber in the 270,308,30-06 group, keep your shots inside 300 yards, use a premium bullet and learn to shoot and you will do fine."

That immeditely seemed to be even before Husqvarna M98 confirmed it. A game warden with EVERY moose hunter all the time?!? And a 6.5x55 having the same effect on game as the 375HH?

Savage,

our language, yours, mine or english as such?

I belive this is the third time this concept/idea/news has arisen,

what can be found to be true is that with a 6,5x55, minimum legal cal for moose in scandinavia, a moose traveled an average of 41 meters until it exired.

For the 9,3x62 and 375 HH the distance was 36/30 meters.

For real life application and Sweden, those 10 meters are marginal in importance.

The reason for the at first look small difference between the cals is the in real life fact that a moose will keep on traveling for 10-15 sec after a leathal hit regardless of cal unless it´s a Scania 18 wheeler, they tend to flat them straight up.

What the stats don´t tell is that the 6,5x55 yields about 3x the amounts of eftersök, trailing after a marginal lung hit,

they just take longer to expire then with larger cals.

Last a moose in my humble opinon is perhaps the easiest kill of all the hoofed game whe have, huge lungs, the size of an A3 paper and thin skin.

In difference a decent wild boar has less than an A4 paper as wital zone.

Well best regards Chris

You hunt with a Scania ? WOW ! While I'm a great fan of the 6.5x55 for our whitetail deer [25 years use] ,it's those quartering away shots on the bigger animals with heavier bones that I would worry about. At the ranges you mention our 45-70 would be fine !

Mete- big rigs keep on turnning,

I like to stalk the highways out of season with my 18-wheeler, I´ll aim for every moose I get in my sight.

Seriously though, I was nr 1 to a truck/moose incident a few years ago, the driver was in chock othervise fine, the moose, well lets just say that I could find bit´s n pieces of it.

I belive that this subject has been laid to rest.

In Sweden the marlin 45-70 rifles has had a boom the last 4-5 years, levers are not to my liking but they work like a charm.

Best regards Chris

Some years ago I was invited on the Norma moose hunt. I was lucky to shoot a 350 kg cow. However, I drilled both lungs with a Norma 200 g Oryx in 300 Win Mag at 80 m and the moose didn't react at all. It just kept trotting as if I had missed. Luckily for me, the animal dropped dead in front of my neighbour hunter, 300 m farther up. Our Sweedish guests were amused at my dispointment and they told me that, often enough, a moose is shot dead "without it knowing it" I took notice that no one used a 6,5x55. The smallest caliber in use was .30-06 and most locals (and Norma people) carried 9,3x62's and even some .338 Win Mags. A 9,3 would indeed be my choice next time I need to get a moose's attention.

quote:

Originally posted by mete:
You hunt with a Scania ? WOW ! While I'm a great fan of the 6.5x55 for our whitetail deer [25 years use] ,it's those quartering away shots on the bigger animals with heavier bones that I would worry about. At the ranges you mention our 45-70 would be fine !

I regularly use the faster flatter trajectoried land rover for roadside pheasants/bunnies would probably consider upgunning to an 18 wheeler if we had the quarry!

Just wondering if you lot had seen this example of "TOO MUCH GUN!" <a href="http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/bmw-deer-huntp1.php">BMWdeer hunt</a>

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
second the average shot at a moose is at less than 50 meters.

To even find a place where you have 300 meters range to shoot at you would have to to high up north, and even there a 300 meter shot at a uninjured moose is considered a breach of hunters etics and you would be asked to leave.

In Swedens shots are considerbly shorter than in most other countries and our etics are ruled by those ideas that if you cant get in closer than 150 meters on a moose well then you are just not doing it right.

The people that I have know here in the US that elk and moose hunt are EXPECTED by their guides/outfitters to be able to shoot/kill game at 300+ yards. I subscribe more to the "European" mind set and want to actually "hunt" rather than "snipe" my quarry.

Jeff,

different strokes you know,

I was at the range yesterday, snowstorm and all,

prone I took ten rounds at the 300 meters target, all rounds within 15 cm of POI, ie dead moose in every part of the world, good and ethical shooting, not so much according to me.

However I am glad and content in the knowledge that should a wounded moose wander by at 300 meter, it wil be shootable.

André- that was just the "effect" I was refering to above, they are dead on there legs for some time, the one time a moose goes down on the spot is when the shot effects the spine and or if you hit the the shoulderblade going in and elbow going out, then the usually fall over.

Best regards to you all.

Chris

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
To even find a place where you have 300 meters range to shoot at you would have to to high up north, and even there a 300 meter shot at a uninjured moose is considered a breach of hunters etics and you would be asked to leave.

Yes, this is a good and ethical attitude as it ought to be. Besides, as far as I understand you guys also have proper dogs and do track all wounded game.

I never hunted in Sweden but was lucky enough to hunt whitetailed deer several times in Finland. I always admired the ethics, camaradery plus the sports- and woodsmanship of the Finish hunters.

I think that the critical part when shooting at that distance is not hitting the animal but in fact to find the point where it stood when you shot it. Otherwise, trailing it even with a dog becomes most difficult and, as stated here, even well hit animals sometimes still walk some considerable distance.

I admit that when I see shootable game I sometimes develope some kind of tunnel vision and have had after the shot difficulties to exactly remember where the animal stood when I pulled the trigger.

At 300 meters and with the kind of terrain I figure these moose inhabit, it is probably much better to stay close.