I have a few of EU gun law related questions.

First, how or can I use my EU license to purchase a firearm in another EU country without having to go through dealers and importers/exporters? I assume I’ll still have to provide proper authorization/importation documents from my host country of CZ. Are there any standard rules regarding this yet and if so what else is required?

Next, what brings me to this is that I’m looking for either a Walther PP Super or SIG 230 chambered in 9x18mm Ultra/Police and feel the prospects of me location one here in Czech are next to nothing. Does anybody out there know where I may be able to locate one for sale?

Richie,

If you are on the list (and I don't have it off the top of my head) of "agreement" countries you can purchase directly. Not all EU member states allow this.

I've done this one time before between the UK & Germany it was a pretty straight-forward although time consuming process that took about two months to process the UK release and the German acceptance for something as simple as a shotgun.

After all the paperwork and hassle the Postman left the package with the shotgun on my front porch all day while I was at work!

Good Luck with a handgun.

The European Firearms Pass gives you absolutely no authority to purchase at all.
It is however a very simple process to purchase firearms in one EU country whilst living in another.
You need to obtain a " Prior Permission to Transfer a Firearm" the seller with then, with this paperwork, obtain a Transfer permit.
both forms go in the package with the firearm when its sent.
thats it. simple.
I even attended a seminar on the subject.

Pete

Pete's right about that. HOWEVER, you are talking about Germany and the UK, both have goverments that are fairly efficient.

If you were in Spain or Italy and wanted to make it work, it would be a freaking nightmare. You may never see your gun, your money, or the papers again.

D99, its a very simple procedure in all between all EU states. providing you deal with a reputable dealer who uses a reputable bfirearms registered carrier, there is no problem at all. I have a 300ultramag going to Mallorca in a couple of months.
And RE Germany and UK, it is easier for a customer in the UK to purchase a firearms from a dealer in Germany than it is for him to purchase a firearms from a dealer in his own country but some distance away, in the UK for purchases it is face to face only transaction, that means, if you live in Cornwal and want to buy a custom rifle from a smith in Scotland, you have to travel to Scotland to pick the thing up. If you live anywhere in the UK a smith or dealer from another EU country can have the firearms deliveredb to your door.
regards Pete

Thanks for this bit of information. Czech is on the EU agreement list and I would like to find out more about this. Does this still require me to get import/export permits before shipping? Is there an EU Gun Law website that I could go to for all the fine print, privileges and forms?

In regards to the UK firearms law, I’ve been informed that the UK does not honour the EU gun license so any transfers out of there will have to be dealer to dealer.

Now I just have to find the pistol, which might very well be the hardest part of this whole deal. Still could use some help here...

How does one go about applying for an EU firearms pass? Local police, or higher up the (bureaucratic) food chain?

John in Sweden

John,

In Germany they are applied for & issued by the same local authorities that issue our German Weapons Ownership Cards.

You are allowed 10 firearms on it and they are catagorized by type, handguns (A), rifles (B) & shotguns (C). You also have to provide a passport sized photo.

Where the form itself is actually printed is another kettle of fish altogether since it takes about 4-6 weeks to get them.

I would suggest asking at your local issuing authority.

Pete lincoln
You are mis-informed, you do not have to be face to face to purchase a F/A, you can purchase a rifle anywhere in the UK and have it posted to a registered f/arms dealer near you and when you go to pick it up that is when you have to produce your FAC. I have 4 custom rifles all built in scotland and once completed they were just posted to my nominated dealer.


kind regards

Rich.
personal (none dealer) transfer between states is a simple process.
has nothing what so ever to do with a european firearms permit.
no matter which EU country you are, if you want to purchase a firearms in another EU country, wether its from a dealer or private makes no difference.
YOU must aquire from your local firearms registrations authority, a "Prior Permision To Transfer A Firearm" it is an EU form. in Germany its Anlage .. 22? or 23 not sure without looking. In the UK its an Article 7.

This form verifies to the seller, be they dealer or private, that your firearms licensing authority ok's you to aquire that particular class of firearm.

you send this form to the seller. with this form, the seller can, either aquire the corresponding form, to transfer to you, alternatively he may not need to obtain another form other than yours depending on the rules in his place of residence.

the firearm can then be send directly to you. package containing both EU transfer permits.

from dealer to dealer its easier, all that is needed is, a dealers license, and in some states an open prior permision to transfer, valid for 3 years.
if you have any questions, please feel free to email me. i have all the current legislation in black and white as i attended a days seminar just on this subject notb long ago..
RE the European Firearms Pass. this is required to travel to other EU countries when carrying firearms with you, it does not come under the rules of the transfer as you take the weapon there and bring it back, no transfer takes place.
The UK still insist on visitors aquiring a Visitors Firearms Permit. although it says (on german EFP's at least) that for the purpose of hunting and sports no further paperwork is nessecary.. the UK visitors firearms pass costs 12 pounds and is easy to get if you have some one to sponsor you.
most hunting agencies etc charge 30 to 60 pounds for it, to cover the hassle of getting one for you.
best regards Pete

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Originally posted by Pete Lincoln:
D99, its a very simple procedure in all between all EU states. providing you deal with a reputable dealer who uses a reputable bfirearms registered carrier, there is no problem at all. I have a 300ultramag going to Mallorca in a couple of months.
And RE Germany and UK, it is easier for a customer in the UK to purchase a firearms from a dealer in Germany than it is for him to purchase a firearms from a dealer in his own country but some distance away, in the UK for purchases it is face to face only transaction, that means, if you live in Cornwal and want to buy a custom rifle from a smith in Scotland, you have to travel to Scotland to pick the thing up. If you live anywhere in the UK a smith or dealer from another EU country can have the firearms deliveredb to your door.
regards Pete

actualy, i think you will find that there is a network of gundealers that will tranfer it amongst themselves to get around this problem. please tell me if i am wrong!

Julian. there maybe a network of gun dealers who will transfer firearms within a country or even across borders,
The transfer permit system still has to be adheered to.
I have a couple of friendly dealers in the UK to whom i can send rifles for customers, they don't charge more than a minimal fee for the handling because we help each other out. But should i have to transfer a rifle to an area where i or the customer has no "friendly"dealer, then the customer is liable to pick up the tab.
why pay a middle man when it can be done direct?
Pete

sorry, that was what i meant. when i said that you could transfer around dealer to dealer, i was not referring to who picks up the tab, so much as the purchaser not having to travel to the other end of the country to get it from the original seller. sorry for the misunderstanding.