Gents,

While waiting for North Wales finest to grant my Variation for a 9.3x63mm, I have been mulling over the choice of scope and mounts.

I have no desire at present to shoot driven game, but one day would like to venture across to Europe and try for a boar in a highseat at night. However my primary use will be for plains game and perhaps red deer at what I hope is close to moderate distances ie nothing over 200 yards.

I already have a 3-12x50mm Swarovski with illuminated reticule which could be switched to the rifle for a trip to Germany. So for general use, I was thinking of either a
2-7x36mm Khales (or maybe similar Leupold Vari111) or 2.5-10x42mm Swarovski PV. I find zeroing a x6 quite time consuming these days and much prefer a scope with an upper magnification of x8 or over. This I feel precludes the many 1.5-6x42 scopes out there. Any thoughts? Also any idea who stocks Khales scopes in the UK? Any other decent brands I should consider? Quite a few people are singing the praises of the new Nikkon range for instance saying it is easily equal to the Leupold.

Then theres the mounts. I don't know if I strictly need them, but detachable mounts seem a good idea. I am hoping to get the CZ American with iron sights, but additionally it would be nice to have a spare scope pre zeroed sitting in some rings as a stand-by.

Warnes seem to be the first choice as they are relatively easy to get hold of over here, but I have no expirience on how well they return top zero on a CZ Receiver..

I would also like to consider Talley but I don't know who stocks them in the UK.

That leaves me with EAW or Apel. I know little of these, not even sure if they are the same company. I do know they seem to be "over engineered" and I have been told you need a knowledgable smith to install them. I suspect they would also not be as low as the Warne/Tallleys? I had a chat with an ex Ribgy gunsmith some time ago and he said they were fine up to .375H&H recoil levels but sometimes gave problems once you got to .416 Rigby levels and beyond so I think they should hold up on a 9.3x62mm.

Of course I could simply buy another complete set of CZ mounts to put on the spare scope and rely of the recoil notch making them return to zero?

Any and all thoughts welcome!

Regards,

Pete

Pete E

Talley is my favorites. The new warnes are not what the old ones were. Ask David Ryan at Minsterly Ranges about talley.

Recknagel might have something that suites you.

Cheers
/ JOHAN

Congrats with your choice of 9.3x62. I've been using it for years with much pleasure. I have a Sauer 200.

Scope...I have a S&B 2.5-10x56...for sighting in at 100 yards..do not get the one in which the reticle enlarges with the magnification. The reticle becomes so thick as to make sighting actually more difficult than at 6x. At least that is my recent experience.

For shooting boar at night, *do* get the one which increases with magnification...catch 22 here.

Mounts...EAW and Apel I think are the same: Ernst Apel W... (Werk?). What is "over engineered"?? I happen to have EAW mounts on both my heavy rifles (.300 WM and 9.3). The one one the .300 never gave me trouble. You can use the scope as a handle for your gun, take it off, put it back on, fall with it a dozen times or more on rocky ground (done all of that) and still maintain zero. On my 9.3 I had troubles initially, but after I took it to a competent gun smith (I still curse the one that did the initial installation), who used a drop of lock tite on the screws, all was well, and they stood up to the same treatment as the other set.

Hope this helps.

Frans

Re. EAW, They make variants specifically for harder recoiling caliburs. A sort of "magnum" version. Sorry, can't remember the name (xs or something).
Have a look at: http://www.eaw.de/

Erik D.

www.dunia.no

I'm with Johan, and my vote is for Talley, better Qd type.
I don't remember the Recknagel catalogue, but I'm sure they have something for anyone. But,Pete, on Talley rings and bases you can buy directly all the rings and bases that you want.

bye

Pete
EAW comes in various hights, and usually you can install them yourself with a bit of super glue and four screws.
Recknagel is more for the claw mounts type, and there you definetely need a good gunsmith.
The other solution is to buy directly from the maker of your rifle.

Bobby

Pete,

I believe you will be pleased with any of the suggested mounts: Talley or Apel (EAW).
I own several rifles equipped with Apel mounts (including a CZ) and have no complains.
As far as I know Talley�s European dealer is an Italian company (MAG) from Brescia.
Take a look at www.mag.it

B.Martins

Pete,

All I can say is that I have managed to shoot an average .75" MOA with a Swarovski 1.5-6x42 over 3 groups of 3 shots in front of Deerdogs.

The new Swaro 1.5-5x42 with BE3 daytime and dusk illuminated reticle that works even if the batteries are dud, is IMHO the perfect scope.

I don't see any difference between zeroing and shooting game. It takes a bit of tailoring to match the target to the reticle but under .5MOA is possible with 6x. After all the hunter bench rest (max 6x) need a consistant .3moa to be competitive.

I would go Warnes.

Pete,

The new Nikon Monarch scopes are really nice (just as good as leupold) and for less money. When I was living in Germany and hunting boar at night I wanted the most light gathering as possible (of course). With that said it's hard to beat the European scopes with 30mm body and 56mm objective. I had a S&B on my 300 for boar hunting and loved the combo.

1894,



I am not saying that nobody can produce decent groups with a x6, just these days I am not sure I can! I guess I had better try dialing my vari power to x6 and give it a go!



Those new Swarovski do look nice and for field use, I am sure would be excellent...I look forward to looking through some scopes over the summer at the various game fairs before making my mind up...



Regards,



Pete

I have a fixed 4x32 meopta scope on my 9.3x62 it is fitted in a std set of tasco bridge mounts that are loctited to the action it has never moved I find the optics on the meopta excellent at 100y I can sit the post on a 1" patch and use it as an aiming mark have shot quite a few sub moa groups of the bench with this rifle ( the rectcle is a german post and picket)

Pete E, reading this a bit late but thought I would add $.02



I have a 9.3x62 on a Mauser 98 action. I initially used Talley QD rings set up with screws - detachable, but not quite quick as you need a large Torx wrench to get them off. Then I bought levers from Talley. Result: detachable, but still not quick - the lever is too long, and hits the bolt stop. You have to take the bolt stop off to remove the scope. ?!



Taking a different tack, I just got some Leupold QD bases and rings - success! The small lever doesn't interfere with anything, and the bases aren't any higher than the Talleys, which means I can still barely see the rear sight. Cost is pretty close to Talleys, except that the Leupold bases are expensive and the rings cheap, vice versa with Talley.



I see you are talking about a CZ, which is Mauser derived. Can't recall what the bolt stop looks like on those, so you may not have the problem I did. Just be aware of it.



Good luck,



Todd

I have a cz 9.3x62 lux and I have a 2-7 leupold on it in fixed warne rings. I had the scope and mounts spare and could not justify purchasing new mounts & scope for it. As it turns out the combination works well. I am using lapua brass and speer 270 gr projectiles, I hope to move to woodleigh 250's or 286 gr bullets next.